personally, i like under 6', muscular, dark eyes, curly dark hair.. self-confidence is a must, as is laughing at my jokes!
Conflicted!!! I'm shocked by your shamless marketing...you scoundrel you! Good thing you are on a short leash! LOL
Simon, how dare you suggest that I use doctored pictures of Tom Cruise...that dude is using doctored pics of me! Come to think of it you look a little bit like Tom yerself mate!
Skipper (in the Tom Cruise wannabe class)
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
personally, i like under 6', muscular, dark eyes, curly dark hair.. self-confidence is a must, as is laughing at my jokes!
Sheesh Ed...did you have to go and tell them about the male strategy? Now all of us guys are going to have to send pics to show what we really look like.
I guess it is time to break out Photoshop and learn to use the special effects. LOL!
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
this is sort of a continuation of threads on dubs and how they are conditioned to discipline their children.
someone questioned whether the society actually encouraged dubs to whup their children.
i only had enough time to dig up a few salient quotes from the wt magazine.
Thanks Farkel for bringing this to light. I do think they have mellowed out some on the offical line of beating kids but still the damage has been done to the earlier generations.
What most people don't realize is that men who often beat their wives have themselves been beaten as a child. This doesn't justify beating anyone but harm you receive as a youngster can and often does express itself in later generations.
My grandfather was a JW and he beat my father, and my father in turn beat me...this is the way it was passed down. It doesn't always have to happen this way but I think when religion gives the green light to excessive spanking and beating then it opens the flood gates to child abuse.
Everyone should know that the abuse can go beyond physical attacks as well. I personally know of Witnesses who lock their kids in closets for an entire day at a time, who will make them go an entire day without eating for saying a negative remark about supper, and Witnesses who control and shelter their kids so much...they are completely disfunctional. This is abuse in a different way, but still abuse.
I think you are right Conflicted...the WTS is breeding abusers.
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
when i was a witness, i often heard that if you left the trooth that you would become rich fast, have gratuitous sex constantly, become a drug addict and end up worshipping satan.
man am i disappointed!!
it seemed for the longest time that there was a giant conspiracy to keep me a poor working stiff just above the poverty line, especially so when i was going to college full time.
One of the things I mentioned above was the idea of bartering services and more. It is hard to get a good estimate of how many x-dubs there are online that hang out at ex-dub sites but I've seen estimates range from a low of 5,000 to over 20,000. Regardless, in this growing community of people, there is a diversity of resources, knowledge and potential for economic benefits.
I'm already working out economic exchanges with several online friends and I'm thinking that lots of us may benefit from the same opportunity. To that end, I wanted to see what kind of interest there is in establishing a bartering exchange for all of us.
Bartering is of course trading something in exchange for something else without money being involved. There are several extensive worldwide networks already established that I encourage anyone to take a look at and use if they want. I think we can also do trades and exchanges in our own circle of friends and contacts.
If you like the idea, you may enjoy reading through just a few of the several websites dedicated to bartering:
. http://www.barternet.net/what.html
. http://www.pioneerthinking.com/barter.html
. http://www.ncbarter.com/home.html
You can find everything here from exchanging vacation homes to trading your services and skills for something else. In the past I've done things like install security systems in houses for getting to use their time-share condo for a week, to setting up offshore and tax free corporations in exchange for other services.
Currently, one of my occupations is professional book buying for major book wholesale companies. This means I know how to buy new books much cheaper than consumers can even get used books for. In the past, I've helped my friends buy new college textbooks for half price, savings them several hundred dollars a semester and have inside connections with the publishing industry to get books published, etc. If you wanted to get your book published as a regular paperback (the same as you see at any bookstore) and say sell it on the Internet, I can show you how you can save lots of money by doing everything yourself and spending only a few hundred dollars to get published and then make your books on demand for a few dollars each. I have helped a few people in doing this, and they make several thousand dollars a year from web based sales of their book. As with anything though, if your book is a stinker...you are not going to make that much money but at least you wouldn't be out the typical rates of $4,000-$16,000 charged by vanity press publishers.
I can also setup offshore foundations and corporations for individuals and within a few months, get them a line of credit to do business with. If you wanted to immediately qualify say for $100,000 in personal credit from American Express through this business, I can arrange for that as well. I also can arrange for getting you second passports (these are completely legal and are issued by governments) which have considerable economic advantages in making you a tax free individual along with several other benefits.
In addition to this, I can show you how to make yourself completely judgement proof, which protects you from any lawsuits resulting from accidents, business, or divorces, etc.
So, what do you have to trade?
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
when i was a witness, i often heard that if you left the trooth that you would become rich fast, have gratuitous sex constantly, become a drug addict and end up worshipping satan.
man am i disappointed!!
it seemed for the longest time that there was a giant conspiracy to keep me a poor working stiff just above the poverty line, especially so when i was going to college full time.
REM...sorry dude, someone has beaten you to the idea already and it is named The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society!
Now, really you wouldn't want to create wealth for yourself by doing something that harms your fellow man do you? This is exactly what our former "brothers" did to us. It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Besides that Rem, you don't want to be getting free room and board in the Gray-Bar Hilton do you? If we are going to con anyone, lets make it a point only to con the conners okay? LOL! That way I can sleep better at night.
BBoyneko...yeah using the Internet is a way to make money but you need to come up with a approach that doesn't immediately have a million clones. I have seen ways of using the Net for income but there are a lot of wannabe's out there who are going to crash and burn. That isn't a dance they intended to do. For example, I see tons of advertising for people to learn to be web designers. Yes, there is some market for this but as with everything else, pretty soon the market will be flooded with them (if not already) or software advances come along and change all the rules by making it easy for dummies to make their own web pages. You got to stay ahead of the curve to make money on the Net.
Bye the way Dan, did you get my email?
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
when i was a witness, i often heard that if you left the trooth that you would become rich fast, have gratuitous sex constantly, become a drug addict and end up worshipping satan.
man am i disappointed!!
it seemed for the longest time that there was a giant conspiracy to keep me a poor working stiff just above the poverty line, especially so when i was going to college full time.
This post is just a continuation of my earlier post.
The second idea I want to bring up in wealth creation deals with learning NOT to play by the rules.
The rules to the traditional money making game are already well established and designed to keep the Rich richer and to keep everyone else in their place. The money game (and that is the way they look at it too) doesn’t favor the man on the street, and especially anyone who is good at following rules. If you follow the rules, you might as well bend over and kiss your wallet goodbye. LOL!
So, what I see that works is what is known as stepping outside the box. I’m not talking about a life of crime here; I’m talking about working around the rules.
Take taxes for example. Taxes are a wonderful invention to make everyone but you rich. In the USA, most people are aware that the top tax brackets are around 40% but this is really an illusion. When you start to investigate what you are really paying in taxes in this country (probably similar in the UK, OZ, and Norway) it comes out somewhere around 65% of all your income going for taxes! We have taxes on gasoline, taxes on everything from booze to sales taxes. So, the reality is that you could be paying 2/3 of your income in taxes!
I don’t think this probably really shocking news to any of you guys but maybe you are not aware that there are 100% legal and established ways to pay 0% taxes! I used to do privacy consulting on the Internet a few years ago and I worked mostly with wealthy clients who were willing to wheel and deal for my services and I did make some trades for information. I learned essentially three methods on the books to make you tax exempt, even in the USA. You don’t need to have an expensive lawyer or accountant to make use of this information. Further, I have been using it myself and know for sure it works.
I’m not going to post what this method is on a public board but if we get a group going like I was talking about, I’m willing to fess up for free about this.
Some people I’ve told about this get upset with me for finding and using such a loophole but hell the big corporations and the millionaires do it all the time. Further, I don’t need to defend myself from moral accusations about being unpatriotic and not feeding the homeless, etc. If you use this method and feel guilty about not helping your fellow man, you can simply contribute what you want to a charity.
Besides taxes, there are lots of other parasites out there that want to take away your money. These range from credit card debt to the high price of prescription drugs and health care for example. There are some ways you can moderate these costs. For example, I only use credit cards to make myself money. I never use them for simply everyday use. For everyday use, I use CASH and when that won’t work, I use a debit card.
Anyway, I’ve been through the school of hard knocks when it comes to credit and running up debts (I did this a lot in the past before I got smart) and learned a lot of useful information about cutting your debt in half almost instantly and how to get out of the hole.
To sum things up, with an ex-dub economic club we can network, exchange services, show each other different things we have learned and much more.
Any takers for this?
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
when i was a witness, i often heard that if you left the trooth that you would become rich fast, have gratuitous sex constantly, become a drug addict and end up worshipping satan.
man am i disappointed!!
it seemed for the longest time that there was a giant conspiracy to keep me a poor working stiff just above the poverty line, especially so when i was going to college full time.
Hi Guys,
Sorry was busy hauling suitcases of cash down to the bank to make a deposit...NOT!
Okay, I just want to assure Jan to start with that I don't have any chain letters, pyramid scams, or other such schemes (when I was a security consultant I knew of just about every one of those on the books) and I'm not going to advocate anything illegal, nor do I have the attitude of being a selfish bastard and being more than happy to screw anyone who stands in the way of getting rich. I should add that if you were hoping that I have a "get rich quick plan" up my sleeve as well, ...sorry those animals are few and far between and 99% of the time when something is too good to be true, it usually is.
Having given all these warnings and assurances now, let's proceed to toss a few ideas around for making wealth.
I'm not going to apologize for some of things I bring up here. I say this, because I'm no stranger to making money and I've tried a lot of different things to see what works and what doesn't. Further, I learned that while many people might have either a lot of education or lots of street smarts, most of them have little or no economic IQ.
In this post, I will give you an example of this. When I was in my second year of college, I was lucky enough to get a rather unconventional professor who helped me see that your attitude is the most important thing about making money and keeping it. The very first day in our psychology class, he introduced himself and said that he wanted to start with a survey of why people were going to college. Most people answered it was for eventually getting a good paying job and career, and a few others said it was about having fun or nothing better to do. He then addressed all those who were going to school to make money and told us (I voted that way too) that we were all pretty stupid!
He showed us in the next half hour or so that if each of us would take the money we were spending on a college education and invest it, then quit school to become a garbage collector, that not only would we end up making more money than an engieer would in our working lifetime but we could retire earlier! He then suggested that the important thing about getting an education was learning how to learn and making contacts with other people that you can use in the future to enhance your careers.
So, in light of this, I'm wondering if there is some support for the idea of an ex-dub network that aims to cooperate together to make each member wealthy? What I have in mind is a little more than an investment club. I think we could also create a bartering program too. I don't know if any of you guys are familiar with either bartering or investment clubs but both of these concepts are tremendously helpful to all members and have matured through the years to work out the bugs and problems.
I have a lot of other ideas too, but I want to see how this idea floats for the time being.
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
when i was a witness, i often heard that if you left the trooth that you would become rich fast, have gratuitous sex constantly, become a drug addict and end up worshipping satan.
man am i disappointed!!
it seemed for the longest time that there was a giant conspiracy to keep me a poor working stiff just above the poverty line, especially so when i was going to college full time.
When I was a Witness, I often heard that if you left the “trooth” that you would become rich fast, have gratuitous sex constantly, become a drug addict and end up worshipping Satan. Man am I disappointed!!
It seemed for the longest time that there was a giant conspiracy to keep me a poor working stiff just above the poverty line, especially so when I was going to college full time. When I got out in the post college world, I found out how seemingly impossible it was to make more than a modest wage, without someone trying (and successfully) to take it all away from me? If it wasn’t the taxes, babes, or poor choices, then the cost of just getting by seemed to keep me from getting ahead. Strange isn’t it?
Just when you think you are getting ahead of the game, KABOOM! Along comes something else that screws you over and takes your money time after time. I began to notice with my friends that it didn’t seem to matter how much you struggle and strive, you never seem to get rich. Does this sound true or what?
So what am I doing, pissing in my beer? Well, I guess I’m asking if any of you are interested in changing that situation. Are you interested in making and keeping your money? I would like to explore and share ideas in this thread that some readers may find controversial or even shocking, but all have the point of doing something real to change this situation. I’ve learned a few things from several friends who are millionaires and things I’ve tried on my own that worked, and some that didn’t. I’ve also found other people have a lot of things to share and offer.
In fact, don’t you think it is a God damned shame that while we were all inside the Borg that there were lots of insider networks and job opportunities to be had if you were a dub, and now that we are out in the cold we don’t have squat? Maybe we can change that. What do you think?
If you have information you don’t want to make in a public post, please feel free to email me.
$kipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
here's the chance to finally find out what we suspected all along:.
are you evil?
find out at http://www.emode.com/emode/tests/evil.jsp.
Hmmm, gotta have something going for me to redeem myself...
Overall, your emotional age is quite adult. You are a clear thinker who recognizes your emotions and knows how to express them. You follow your instincts, without ever letting yourself get carried away.
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
i've been a part of this forum for about one month, and during that time i've been struck by the willingness of many so former jehovah witnesses either to ridicule the bible, or to stand by while it's being ridiculed.
so, i'm wondering how many of them while witnesses suffered through experiences so searing that they no longer believe in the god of the old testament.. who among you still believe that underneath the layers of contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors in the bible there may be found the words of a god who created the universe, and who also cares about you, personally?.
joseph f. alward.
Hi Joseph,
Glad to see you hanging around and posting
I personally didn't have anything happen to me as a Witness that stumbled me but quite a few things that raised questions. However, it was a long and careful examination on my part to see if there was a God, a true religion, etc. that led me to realize that I was an athiest.
In all honesty, I can honestly say that I think there is practically no chance at all for a God (as taught by the Bible) to exist and have created the universe. I'm so sure of my choice, I put my money where my mouth is and stake my life on it. It doesn't upset me though for someone else not to see things this way and I don't feel the need to deprogram them or get them to see things my way. So, I normally don't get into long drawn out online debates unless the topic is really interesting.
By the bye, interesting home page you have there!
Cheers,
Skipper
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." - William Shakespeare
