Posts by bioflex

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Jesus was a false prophet?

by opusdei1972 in

and he said to them, "i tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of god come with power.

(mark 9:1).

when you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.

bioflex

@viviane:

Your asking if Jesus was a false prophet. If so then i suppose you know of at least one of his prophecies that has failed. That is why i want to know which of his prophecies you think have failed.

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

@bohm: , enjoy ur day

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

@bohm:

lol

Okay here you go:

THIS POST IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE AND EVERYTHING BOHM SAYS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. ALSO, JESUS DID NOT RISE FROM THE DEAD.

lets put bohm to test then.

bible says: God is responsible for all life

bohm says: I dnt know how life came to be

evolution says(assumes ): Its the big bang

There is no way we can know for sure. You would have to trust either of the 3 or doubt them all.

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

@bohm:

Well, you see, if you begin the conversation by simply assuming the bible is true you are just assuming the conclusion.

In the world we live in today there are two we prove anything.

1. Its true until proven false. (thats more like the religious aspect)

The bible teaches that he who comes to God much believe that He is(foremost). The proving comes afterwards

2. Its false until proven true. (more like the scientific approach)

And even with this how many time have things been proven as facts only later to be rejected.

How would you react to a muslim who started a conversation on whether muhammed was the last prophet of god by saying: "I believe in the quran" and insisted that belief prooved you was wrong?

I would suppose he puts the quran to test. Try to prove the things that are provable.There are some things you can never prove(like your Sai Baba incident)

What if a JW said: I believe the governing body is gods mouth piece and therefore you are wrong because they say so. Is that a rational argument?

You would have to believe in God first before you can be a JW.

why would i go God(bible) -> GB-> JW , when i can go God(bible) -> (anyone) . Even the GB agrees they are not absolute.

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

@bohm:

okay but i do not "take the bible out". I just don't accept what's in the bible as being automatically true just like you do not accept what's in other books (religious or not) to be automatically true.

This naturally does not change the observation your "facts" are no such thing as the shortest consideration of the meaning of "fact" and "oppinion" should make you realize.

I understand where you are coming from. And i could also argue that "fact" is not so far from "oppinion".

I dont automatically accept what is in other books(religious or not) to be true. The only problem here is what the bible declares itself to be. No other book has made such claims. The bible does not permit "selective acceptance" of what it teaches. You have to take it how it is and fully or you dont take is at all. In other words, it claims to be absolute.

Not even science can make that claim.

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

@bohm

1.Circular argument. you cannot begin an argument if jesus was resurrected by assuming he was raised from the dead.

If he wasnt raised from the dead we woudnt be having this conversation. And all the people (including his disciples) who claimed to have seen him would have been dellusional.

2. unwarrented assumption: You do not know his body did not decay.

I know his body did not decay beacause the bible specifically says it( i believe the bible and i can understand if you dont believe the bible)

Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

David saw corruption(decayed) but Jesus did not see curruption(did not decay)

3. circular argument. if you assume the account of the bible is true then he was raised; but the issue is if the account is true.

Exactly, i believe the account of the bible is true and therefore he was raised. Again, i can understand if you dont believe the bible.

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

my above post is directed at bohm

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

There is proof enough in the bible.( i can understand if you dont believe the bible)

Perhaps you looked past what i put up there and there is a reason why i did. There is no point of having this argument if you consider my source(bible) as irrelivant.

If you take the bible out then there would be no Jesus, Paul, and the other biblical folk and we would not be having this conversation. My response was directed specifically to cofty.

cofty said: Paul never teaches the bodily resurrection of Jesus.

The myth grows from Jesus being with his followers in some metaphorical sense to a bodily resurrection over many decades.

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

bioflex

If you dont believe in evolution you are willfully ignorant.

See what i did here.

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

bioflex

@cofty:

Paul never teaches the bodily resurrection of Jesus.

The myth grows from Jesus being with his followers in some metaphorical sense to a bodily resurrection over many decades.

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (grave); neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

There is proof enough in the bible.( i can understand if you dont believe the bible)

1. The fact that he was raised proves bodily ressurection - he died in the body and was ressurected in the body.

2. The fact that his mortal body did not see corruption(decay) proves a bodily resurrection. (spiritual bodies cant decay)

3. The fact that he still had the marks from his cricifixion proves bodily resurrection.