Posts by bioflex

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

@Twitch: Understood. I will try to stay on topic as much as i can from now on.

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

tec - please please read up on evolution properly before you embarrass yourself with statements like this:

assuming that what we know of evolution is correct. Which, given our track record... I doubt that it is

this is like saying 'assuming we know that the sun is hot. which given our track record...I doubt that it is'

Evolution is factually proven, observed and studied continuously by brilliant minds across the world. There will be great advances in understanding the mechanisms, there will be additional fossils found that will explain whens and hows but there will never ever be a replacement for the fact of evolution ( we will not be going back to a magic creation day), the fact of gradual change in imperfect self-replicating organisms driven by natural selection over vast amounts of time.

This is just insane. Evolution factually proven? You my friend is an iDIOT. I wonder what make evolution believers consider their ideas supreme over anybody else. Just dont get me started okay. Stop making lame comparisms cos everybody knows the sun is hot.

Assuming humans and chimps came from the same ancestors some 6million years ago, which we know is IMPOSSIBLE, even a fool knows that == > this is not to complicated right?.

How did you geniuses come to that conclusion?

There will be great advances in understanding the mechanisms, there will be additional fossils found that will explain whens and hows but there will never ever be a replacement for the fact of evolution ( we will not be going back to a magic creation day), the fact of gradual change in imperfect self-replicating organisms driven by natural selection over vast amounts of time

So is this what you call factually proven?. I bet you really feel like a fool right now.

1 Co 15:37 - 39 And what you sow, you do not sow the body that is going to be, but a bare grain (perhaps of wheat or of some of the rest). And God gives it a body as it has pleased Him, and to each of the seeds its own body. All flesh is not the same flesh; but one kind of flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fish, and another of birds.

Just consider this verse in the bible and compare it to your definiation of evolution and tell me which makes sense.

As from Wikipedia

Evolution (or more specifically biological or organic evolution) is the change over time in one or more inherited traits found in populations of individuals. [1] Inherited traits are distinguishing characteristics, for example anatomical, biochemical or behavioural, that are passed on from one generation to the next

Evolution has led to the diversification of all living organisms from a common ancestor, which are described by Charles Darwin as "endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful". [8] For example, evolution is the cause of speciation, whereby a single ancestral species splits into two or more different species ----> did you see that? i bet its justifiable because some genius says it is.

Even a fool can tell what is more logical in this.

Evolution only looks to discredit the the fact that some intelligent being designed this universe and life. And i really dont get how people deny God and yet believe that Humans and Chimps came from the same parent( ancestor) . Yet this two are SIGNIFICANTLY different. Is not like its been documented in any pracitical way which is believable but yet you Geniuses insist is it true.

Common descent stretches back over 3.5 billion years during which life has existed on earth ----> and i am a fool for not accepting this trash?

Any fool knows that before reproduction there is suppose to be an act of sex either bisexual or asexual. And every single animal ONLY mates with others of its kind including humans. So what two animals mated to reproduce chimps? and humans? or what about horses? so how do you explain that animals from long ago used to interbreed and they practically stopped at some point in time, i wonder what would have happened if they didnt stop that habit.

And how do you explain the fact that humans are the only species the obtained such level of intelligence, even our so called siblings and cousins( chimps) dont even come close.

the fact of gradual change in imperfect self-replicating organisms driven by natural selection over vast amounts of time. === ?

are you kidding me? the FACT? over 6000 years and counting now and there has not yet been a single believable documentation of how organims A replicated into organims B and you call it fact? and i suppose by vast amounts of time you mean 6 million years.

@NewChapter : well i suppose you didnt know that science has aproved of evolution, you can ask QCMPB and co. we must accept what the geniuses say.

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

bioflex please stop talking about evolution you are off topic and your ignorance of the subject is deeply embarassing. I can suggest some excellent books if you are interested)

@cofty : i guess i now realize where the problem lies now, you claim i am ignorant about evolution but let me ask you, are you well educated about the bible?i could also suggest you some books and videos. Just what makes you think the books you want to suggest to me are spot on accurate? if there is anything i have learnt in this discussion its that many scientists have their doubts about evolution so what makes to think your sources are credible?.

I dont want to go off topic here so dont push me. and dont think yourself highly than me because you think you are right. After all you do realize that in science you have to prove something before it is regarded as credible and none of your evolution books can boldly prove all it states.

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

@unshackled : welcome to the discussion, well i could consider the likes of you incapable of reason and logic too u know. perhaps things like this makes perfect sence to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE

@Psacramento : u nailed it pretty much. I guess whatever we choose to believe as individuals come from sources we dont even know if are trustworthy or not. Who knows if the idea of God was all the plotting of someone. or perhaps misconceptions have let to the belief of evolution.

But one thing stands straight, why does Ushackled and the rest consider me incapable of reason just because i dont accpet their view of life? its not as if anyone existed 6 million years ago to document all they believe now, yet they consider themselves to be right and me a deluded.

I guess life in its self has a hand in the direction of human morality, i for one consider homosexuality as morally incorrect and that is because of my beliefs, but what about the person who does not share my beliefs?

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

Forgive me for just this one but it kind of add to what we are discussing

@bohm: the link you posted, do you really believe that? oh now i know, i guess it easy to graps things like this and accept them as truth.

humans share the same ancestory with chimpanzees and gorillas alike and that is it. One would think we could even share some moral codes since we are related no?.

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

Sorry for off topic posts, but i thought all i did was speak my mind, and then some guys come and start flaming me.

Back on topic : Talking about viking, crusaders and all those guys , sometimes people dont really care if what they are doing is wrong or right, they do it because they think it justifiable at that period, whatever means they use is what is readily available to them.

161

There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

NewChapter: i really dont want to get off topic here, but care to tell me how life started? and dont tell what what i have been reading and seeing already cause it wrong. I bet science justified humans evolving from chimpanzenes right, i mean i read that horses even evolved from some animals who were no bigger that foxes, and one thing i noticed it that they were using words like PROBABLY and all, so how is this proven?.

Life did not just happen OK. and different animal forms did not come about because of natural selection and and inconsistencies in genes as scientists tell you. If evolution is natural how come we are stuck in this state for thousands of year with no hope of evolving into other higher forms, i mean we once chimps right so i thought we would have grown wings by now. Believe what you want to, and dont try to condemn my beliefs cos you probably dont know where you are coming from (i mean its by chance that we are here as humans right) or know where you ar going to(maybe some asteroid would just crash us and end it all).

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

@Newchapter: well ignorance is indeed bliss, you do realise that science tends to condemn things it CANNOT comprehend right, i mean its pretty easy to explain gravity and how it works but it totally unacceptable to talk about God, get over it,

161

There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

@JonathanH: U seem to ignore the fact that i stated most people beleive humans evolved from animals and were not created as outstanding as we are. And talking about culture, do you still think things like that hold? well i guess all the things we are witnessing now have always been a part of our culture.

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There is No Morality Without God

by whereami in

addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

bioflex

ANY fool can see that the gods of China and India taught their followers good morals long before the jewish god.

The jews were wandering about for years before YHWH took Moses up a mountain, and explained that lying stealing incest murder adultery and blasphemy (at least against HIM) were wrong.

So there can certainly be morality without believing in the Johnny- come- lately god of the Bible.

if the gods of these other peoples dont exist where did they get their morality from?

HB

Such ignorance is pretty much unacceptable. According to the bible you so criticise, morality led to adam and eve being sent out of the garden of eden, it led to the devil and his angels being sent out of heaven, it led to the ark of noah and the flood that covered the earth, it led to the destruction of sodom and gomorrah and all these were not jews so where from all that crap you are saying? Ignorance is bliss indeed.