"do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth.
i did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
for i have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.".
@Keyser soze: But then I would ask him why he would allow the earth to become corrupted with so much evidence to the contrary. After all, he does want everyone to believe, right? Is he incompetent, or just an asshole?
how is it God's fault that the whole earth has become corrupted? arent we the ones who bring all these evil upon ourselves? Just look at all the evil intentions of man, how he has allowed the devil to corrupt him to seek his own self independence from God.
to be fair, translating the bible is a huge undertaking, and in doing so, there are bound to be mistakes, or even limits to a committee's knowledge.
obviously, we cannot read the hearts of the four translators of the new world translation committee to know when they consciously or subconsciously altered renderings in to support doctrinal bias.
but more and more, i do come across things that feel askew to me.
@jonathan : excellent post.
@Leolaia: i suppose the NWT rendering is biased because it justifies their view on the subject of Christ rather than being a viable option as to all the other renderings. Perhaps we might want to look up the defination of bias to be clear. If we look at all the translations 1 :8 we can clearly see that even though the choice of words are different they all have a basic understanding .
New International Version(©1984)
But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But concerning The Son, he said, “Your throne, oh God, is to the eternity of eternities. A straight scepter is the scepter of your Kingdom.”
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But unto the Son he says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
The fact that the NWT purposefuly chose words which would ONLY support their doctrine of Christ shows outright bias
to be fair, translating the bible is a huge undertaking, and in doing so, there are bound to be mistakes, or even limits to a committee's knowledge.
obviously, we cannot read the hearts of the four translators of the new world translation committee to know when they consciously or subconsciously altered renderings in to support doctrinal bias.
but more and more, i do come across things that feel askew to me.
KJV FTW!. That is the only one i can call a translation, those ones like NIV, NKJW, NWT are definitely different versions.
"do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth.
i did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
for i have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.".
@Designs : Has any man ever seen God, if not how then do we become JW's?. i thought we were supposed to be witnesses of Jesus Christ? Those WT guys are insane.
"do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth.
i did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
for i have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.".
@Prodigalson: If "faith" in Christ or "accepting" Christ or "believing" in Christ, the MAN, as you say, is the only way to salvation, then what of the approximately 5 billion who are not Christians, and never will be?
That is not for us any man to decide, our duty as christians is to preach the message of salvation through Christ to the world, it does not matter whether they listen or not. Christ said the end will come when His message has been preached throuout the world and thats what we wait now.
Or let's take the 2 billion or so who DO claim to be Christian and yet are hypocrites....
well you said it yourself right?. Jesus said in revelation, you have to be hot or cold, and 1 man cannot serve 2 masters. The fact that one calls himself a christian does not make him one, the way he lives does.
Not to mention, what does getting "saved" mean, and what is the consequence of NOT getting "saved"?
like i said earlier, the salvation Christ is offering us now is for eternal life. And the promise of a new heaven and earth. Now from the scriptures we know the consequences for the devil and his angels who rebelled in heaven - Eternal Fire. So just figure out what happens to those reject Christ even after they have been given the chance to salvation.
Is God going to determnine the fate of people based on whether or not they accepted what's written in a very poorly written book full of errors, since this information or prrof of his existence is nowhere else to be found?
To call the bible a poorly written book full of errors is absurd. Its the word of God, see the thing is if God came down and told some of you he created the world in six literal days you would still not believe him, cos from a human perspective it is impossible. But nothing is impossible for God.
Again you do realise that the bible is also meant to serve as a guide/reproof to us. It talks about the lives of people who have lived before us and the choices/consequencies they made/faced.
Before i end this, let me say, that some people who are/were ingorant about Jesus/God are going to live their judgement (read revelations), unlike those who know/knew him who would be judged according to acceptance of christ.
this is topic is to discuss where we are headed as humans as far as evolution is concerned.
what possible future awaits us.
i am posting this video to help my cause.
@NewChapter: was it nice or accurate of me to try and argue that religion pushes one to bestiality? I don't even know if there is any truth in the above argument, I made it up. Just like you are making it up
Well i would say since religion is mostly about morality and beneficial conducts(depends on who is benefiting here) i dont think it would push for beastiality.It should rather be against it.
On the other hand evolution does not encourage morality, i mean its by accident and some random/natural processes right? so what has evolution got to argue about beastiality. Now i suppose there are some species even humans can mate with to reproduce no? if then woudnt that be the way to go? Well i am making this up too.
"do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth.
i did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
for i have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.".
@Prodigalson :
The truth is, humanity never lost it. Your first mistake is taking Genesis literally, and even when you do you can't see the truth of it.
The serpent is not the bad guy, Jehoover is.
The Divine Spark, the True Self that is already within you is a piece of God Himself, the True One.
Well if i didnt know better i would have been bothered by your post, Your post says it all about you. the DIVINE SPARK? SOFIA ? GOD WITHIN? you have much to learn about the Gospel.
The Truth Behind Hip-Hop 1-6 , you should see it.
and this too
http://watchmanvideobroadcast.com
http://watchmanvideobroadcast.com/video/watchman-video-broadcast-05-15-11
"do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth.
i did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
for i have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.".
@Aguest:
Seeing as the apostles themselves didn't understand the scriptures... until Christ himself opened up their meaning TO such ones (Luke 24:27, 32, 44, 45)... I don't see why anything different should be expected of others, dear Bio (peace to you!). Excluding those who claim to "see" (but do not)... and "seat themselves in the seat of Moses" as a result, of course.
i was actually reffereing to Sixofnine there, not the thread opener(Serenity). you should see his post.
Not a church (religion), no; however, the first part of your statement is an error. A very serious one... as it absolutely DOES cover family. Noah's faith saved his family:
Well, you are the wrong one here, the reason why Noah's family was saved too was because like Noah they had not infected themselves with the Nephillim / Sons of God. Their genes were clean. They would not have been saved if they mingled themselves with the Nephilim.
A more practical exmaple would be Lot's wife, what happened to her when she turned back? yep, a pillar of salt. Thats because we are all to account for our actions individually. That does not mean we should leave others to perish in their ignorance.
Both Cornelius' and Rahab's faith... saved their families, including non-core relatives. Cornelius' faith even saved some of his friends. Zechariah's faith... resulted in a blessing to his son, John (the Baptizer)
Again, i am refering to the salvation of eternal life, not some good deed that benefits another. You CANNOT earn eternal salvation for family or friend.
And here is why you exist in the error you do:
The Bible... is NOT the Word of God. Only One is... and the truth can only come from that One. Because HE... IS the truth. John 1:1, 14; Revelation 19:13; John 14:6; 17:17; Hebrews 13:12
Please, dear one... know YOUR Bible... and what it SAYS... before you undertake to bring those who admit they DON'T know... and ask for assistance.
Well there you go, IF the bible is not the word of God, then there is no hope for mankind, then all that we have heard about Christ is a lie.
2Ti 3:15 - 17 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The reason why many of you err in understanding the bible is because you wan to use the knowledge of man to justify the work of God. That is why many cant accept the fact that God created the world in 6 literal days. And many argue about the global flood of Noah's day.
Isa 55:8 - 9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
In case you did not know, you can't accept a part of the bible and reject another. Its either you are fully for God or not for Him. Perhaps you should go read the bible on what God says about people who are neither cold nor hot
this is topic is to discuss where we are headed as humans as far as evolution is concerned.
what possible future awaits us.
i am posting this video to help my cause.
@NewChapter: i guess the man is a preacher so its understandable the way he talks right?
and one thing i would like to ask, do you think at a point in time we would just go ahead and accept beastiality? i mean if we look at it from the perspective of evolution then i think people who fight for such freedom would be justified soon ehough right?
this is topic is to discuss where we are headed as humans as far as evolution is concerned.
what possible future awaits us.
i am posting this video to help my cause.
But what about new species? how about we evolving into some new life form, i would assume that is the only way evolution can be justified right?
