Karter that's terrible :( So sorry about this happening to her. What a disgusting cult. I've also heard JW's making pedophiles elders and leaders AFTER the man confessed to raping kids. Yep. Even know of one person who was accepted and baptized AFTER having confessed to molesting step kids. Jehovah was gonna fix it in the new system, meanwhile everybody looks away and enables child rape.
mrmagic
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Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?
by mrmagic insince the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.
the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.
it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.
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Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?
by mrmagic insince the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.
the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.
it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.
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jp1692 collateral damage - that's it in a nutshell. Totally agree with you that JWorg is an incestuous belief system, rules and regulations. The cookie cutter answer is "Wait on Jehovah to fix it" for any problem where JWorg needs to save face first and foremost.
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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism
by John Davis ini wanted to get people's opinion on something.
how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.
there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.
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Can you actually use Google and research yourself or do you just like to wait on other people to do that for you John Davis? I see you love to disagree with all kinds of people on just about any/every topic, but you are a little lazy in the self-awareness dept.
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Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?
by mrmagic insince the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.
the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.
it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.
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Approximately 8 to 12 elders or so. "A lot' is meant subjectively as 12 compared to 8 million certainly isn't "a lot", however 8 to 12 compared to 200 to 300 people (approx 3 to 5 congregations) is "a lot". You're welcome to call it not-A-lot, as the gist I'm looking for is about the way JWorg handles their individual members getting exposed.
These elders were not outed directly by ARC, instead they were outed secretly by their own family members who told ex-jw's online and outside activists.The ARC has definitely sparked people to step forward and speak up around the globe and part of this was because of certain elder's family members seeing the ARC and saying that their dad molested them, but were too ashamed and too afraid to step forward.
The main info I'm digging at is can an elder who has followed the 2 witness rule , and who is now outed publicly for enabling child sexual abuse be demoted, because it is "known publicly about him"?
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Drugs, prayer & altered states of consciousness
by deegee inhave you got your "fix" yet?.
hallucinogens are known to induce altered states of consciousness..........but so can prayer:.
acts 10:9-23: "on the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
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LOL no prayer in the world can compare to a heroic dose of Psilocybe Mushrooms. You may pray yourself into a dizzy tizzy, but it is absolutely NOT the same as a psychedelic experience.
Now, on the other hand, combining a strong structured ritual/prayer with psychedelics like psilocybe mushrooms, in a responsible, safe setting can certainly boost your prayers, if you're into that. There can be many spiritual and psychotherapeutic benefits to psychedelics, given they are taken in a safe and setting.
Also, comparing cocaine, crack and booze to plant teachers like psychedelic mushrooms, catcti, Ayahuasca, and other plant teachers is also a common bias.
Psychedelics are not for everyone and there is no substitute for your own sobering hard work in controlling your mind, connecting with your inner Divine, and working through life's challenges without any external consumption.
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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism
by John Davis ini wanted to get people's opinion on something.
how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.
there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.
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It's always best to obey your laws when doing activism. Having said that, there are people who may/may not break the law in their activism. Most often activists are threatened/charged with harassment when confronting or outing Jehovah's Witnesses. But hacking to get the pedophile database is a different legal matter than harrassment.
There are all kinds of activism that people do. Quite a few people are quick to scream that the methods are ineffective and don't work. Others scream persecution with gusto and vigor. And then others just scream something to have a chance to disagree with something or someone.
When you've got child rape, murder, pedophilia and more going on in a toxic cult, the answers to the solutions aren't always black and white. You've got a nasty cult that refuses to budge on their criminal activity to their own demise, detriment and destruction.
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What religions/organizations aren't a cult?
by Jules Saturn inso we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the wbts, church of scientology, lds, etc.
the list goes on and on.
but are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones i've just mentioned?
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I personally stay away from all religions. After seeing the Australian Royal Commission's stats on 65% of child sexual abuse being found in faith-based institutions, I think it's really a risk to attend any religious institution.
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Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?
by mrmagic insince the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.
the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.
it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.
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Since the Australian Royal Commission, a lot of JW elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it. The JW elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline. It's become a congregational matter with the entire Kingdom Hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse. Is that even possible?
These JW elders were only following JWorg'srules. JWorg has thrown them under the bus and looks like people are keeping their distance from these elders, including their JW family. If he stays he's constantly under suspicion now, because he's not made himself very popularr in his congregation, , but if he leaves, where can he go? Everyone outside the JW's knows about him now, his work mates, his neighbors, even the EX-Jehovah's Witness support communities online.
Guess that's Karma, but do elders really get deleted or asked to step down when there's "gossip" or even real facts like covering up child abuse known " about them? They followed orders from JWorg to enforce the 2 witness rule. Now they've been thrown under the bus and left to deal with being outed on their own with no help from Mama JWorg or Daddy "Jehovah". -
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Jehovah's Vatican Scandal?
by mrmagic insomeone sent this link of kelso law firm and their blog post on cardinal pell being australia's most hated man.
the implications are very interesting, as this is the 3rd most powerful man in the vatican.
the catholic church is no doubt much larger than jehovah's witnesses, however, the jw's incidence of child sexual abuse is about 4 times higher than the catholic church's child sex abuse (and subsequent coverups).. the main thread tying cardinal pell and the other vatican scandals to jehovah's witnesses is the australian royal commission.
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LoisLane and LongHair you both have made a point that I did not think of earlier - which is that for JW culture it's much worse to be a "snitch" and a whistleblower than to actually be a pedophile. The pedophile naturally has an interest in keeping their pedophilia and the 2 witness rule secret. So this is in line with the JWs. But the whistleblower may "stumble" "worldly" people out of "the truth" by exposing the pedophilia, especiallly if they are/were a victim.
Did not think about this, but it is absolutely true. Thanks for that.As for the people who want to disagree that the incidents of child sexual abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses is not higher than Catholic church or other religions, cool. Your thoughts are valid.
Everyone's thoughts are valid. Have found that those that are in a hurry to disagree and prove you wrong, often either fizzle out or end up bringing some valuable new piece of information to the table. :)
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Jehovah's people are not happy people
by Phoebe ini finally stopped attending the meetings about 4 months go.
i won't be going back - ever.. but i've decided the best reply to the watchtower is to be happy and i do try to be happy every day even thought i wasted my entire life on this religion.
i cherish every day, practice mindfulness and do my best to be content with the life i have.. it is only now that i see that most jws i know are deeply unhappy people.
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mrmagic
Can tell you that I was depressed the entire time in with the JW's and yes, they were on pills and all kinds of things. Knew countless people who suicided, others were on pills and suffered anxiety. It's all an act. There are really very few people if any that you could ever call friends.