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  Resolutions at Meetings

  by bavman in

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  have you ever seen a congregation not raise enough hands to make a resolution pass?

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  Wolfgirl

  I occasionally asked questions, which got disapproving looks from both elders and their wives. LOL! I do remember one brother who would quite often vote against. I admired his courage. Sometimes I just didn't vote, coz I knew it made no difference.
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  I came home to find my wife crying over THAT article.

  by jambon1 in

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  i came home today to find my wife crying whilst reading the 'when a loved one leaves jehovah' article.

  its been a good few months now and i can appreciate how she feels.

  but it just irritates me how my disagreeing with this religion has such a catastrophic effect on our everyday lives.

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  Wolfgirl

  When I saw that article posted, I just knew what it would do to my sister. Any chance I had of her slowly coming around got set back several years again. I am sure that's why they wrote the article in the first place...to remind people that shunning is such a 'loving provision from Jehovah' and to keep them in line so they don't start thinking it's OK to talk to us. *gag*
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  How Does the WT Explain this verse

  by XBEHERE in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (john 2:18-22) 18 therefore, in answer, the jews said to him: "what sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things?

  " 19 in answer jesus said to them: "break down this temple, and in three days i will raise it up.

  " 20 therefore the jews said: "this temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?

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  Wolfgirl

  I don't remember them worming around it at all. They just completely ignored the bit about JESUS being the one to raise up 'the temple of his own body.' And like a fool, I didn't see it. (I'm agnostic now, for the record.)
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  What's the BIGGEST LIE you ever heard?

  by nicolaou in

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  someone i knew stood up at the convention to answer her two baptism questions both with a "yes".

  she was having an affair with a married brother at the time.. but i'd top my 'biggest lie' list with four small words; "in the beginning, god"

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  Wolfgirl

  It's a toss-up between:
  "I'm a good mother."
  "You couldn't possibly have been sexually abused. You were never left alone with anyone who would do that."
  "Your father is a good man."
  "I just know your father has committed suicide, and it's YOUR FAULT." (He was stuck in traffic a week after he admitted to sexually abusing me.)
  For me, any and all WTS lies pale in comparison to what my parents did to me. You should be able to trust your own parents even when you can't trust anyone else.
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  Well, they finally came to my door

  by Wolfgirl in

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  we've lived here for nearly 2 years now, and this is the first i've seen them, and i'm home most of the time.

  they caught me as i was taking the rubbish out; i didn't even realise they were in my front garden.

  anyway, it was the first warm saturday we've had since last year, and here comes a mother with her young son.

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  Wolfgirl

  That's what I thought too, DB. We shall see what happens, IF she returns.
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  Well, they finally came to my door

  by Wolfgirl in

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  we've lived here for nearly 2 years now, and this is the first i've seen them, and i'm home most of the time.

  they caught me as i was taking the rubbish out; i didn't even realise they were in my front garden.

  anyway, it was the first warm saturday we've had since last year, and here comes a mother with her young son.

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  Thanks all! :) I guess whether she comes back or not depends on how much of what we talked about she tells her husband or others.

  I did mention that my father, an elder, had sexually abused me, and that the elders did nothing. I mentioned the two witness rule, and she agreed with me that it was stupid because no abuser will harm someone in front of others. She claimed that in her congregation, they didn't follow that rule, and that everyone she knew who had been molested had been DF'd and that the police were called. I didn't go into it too much because her little boy was looking really hot and uncomfortable. I don't know if that was BS or if she really did know of a case. *shrug*
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  Well, they finally came to my door

  by Wolfgirl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we've lived here for nearly 2 years now, and this is the first i've seen them, and i'm home most of the time.

  they caught me as i was taking the rubbish out; i didn't even realise they were in my front garden.

  anyway, it was the first warm saturday we've had since last year, and here comes a mother with her young son.

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  Wolfgirl

  We've lived here for nearly 2 years now, and this is the first I've seen them, and I'm home most of the time. They caught me as I was taking the rubbish out; I didn't even realise they were in my front garden.

  Anyway, it was the first warm Saturday we've had since last year, and here comes a mother with her young son. I felt so bad for him; he looked miserable. He wouldn't look up at me; spent the whole time with his eyes on the ground. He didn't smile at all, not once. It was obvious he wanted to be anywhere but there. I kept trying to speak to him, but he wouldn't talk at all. I kept commenting about how he should be out playing on such a gorgeous day, and I couldn't even draw him out about football. I asked him if he played football, and he shook his head no. His mum said he didn't like football, and said, "...as you can see," drawing notice to the fact that the poor little guy was obviously out of shape. (He must have taken after his mum, coz she was quite....round.)

  Other than that, his mum seemed like a nice lady, but genuinely duped. She wasn't the brightest crayon in the box, either. They came to invite me to the district convention, and gave me one of those horrid little tracts.

  Attempting to make a long story short, I left her the impression that I had been raised a JW, but "fell away" (to use her term) a long time ago, and that my family were still JWs. Technically, that's true. She just doesn't realise I'm DF'd. So I asked her if she could explain to me how they arrive at 1914. Like most JWs, she couldn't do it without reaching for a book. She pulled out the newish one called "What Does the Bible Really Teach?" or some such nonsense. I thought she was going to go for the Reasoning book I saw in her bag, but she didn't. She found some page about 70 weeks of years, etc. But she still couldn't explain it, and said she needed more than 5 minutes to properly do so. *stifles giggle, coz I could still "explain" it even now*

  So I asked her (translate: reminded her) if they had to start at the date Jerusalem was destroyed to reach 1914 and if they taught that it was destroyed in 607, and she said yes. Then I pointed out that Jerusalem was NOT destroyed in 607, and that if she looked in any encyclopaedia, she would find it had been destroyed in 586-587, not 607. She said they went by what the Bible said, not by what any man said. I asked her if the Bible mentioned the date 607, and she said no. I explained that it had been proven that Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607. I also explained the "keep it simple" method previously posted on this board, by counting out the years each king ruled, etc. At first, she stood firm, and then later on, she started wavering. She came out with the typical SHEEP response of, "Even if we were wrong by 20-30 years, Armageddon will still come in its own time. It all comes down to faith." *gag*

  She kept trying to give me that book, but I begged off on that, stating I was too busy to read it. (Again, true, but I wouldn't read it if I had all the time in the world.) I then brought up the UN. I specifically asked her if JWs were supposed to have nothing to do with the UN, and she said that was true, because it was the "disgusting thing that causes desolation." (All through the conversation, even before she knew I had been raised as a JW, she was using terms that no "worldly" person would understand, like "faithful and discreet slave.")

  I then said that the WTBTS had joined the UN, and she just stared at me. I said the dates, and she denied it. She said, "Oh no, they'd NEVER do that!" She said I must have gotten false information somewhere.

  In the end, I challenged her. I said, "If you're going to buy a car, say a Vauxhall, you don't just research the literature that Vauxhall give you, because it's obvious they'll tell you their car is wonderful. You have to do independent research. So I challenge you to look up when Jerusalem was destroyed in books other than what you're given at the Kingdom Hall." She said she would, and would return to me with what she had learned. I said I would dig out my old research as well, and she agreed. I watched her write my name and address down in her little book.

  I wonder if she'll come back. Hee-hee!

  I've got all the info written down, but I don't know if I have actual sources. Do any of you have the actual source material? I have certain websites, which I'll have to look over again to see if they list where the info came from. I also have a letter from the UN, stating that the WTS was an NGO.

  I guess I'm still at the point in my life where I try to plant seeds of doubt. Maybe the little boy was listening. Bless the poor little guy...I hope he got to go play.
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  i want to make jehoover happy

  by mathead in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  should i join the dubs again and become a 60 hours per month publisher and then work my way up to a 90 hour per month pioneer and then a ministerial servent and then a watchtower study conductor and then a literature servant and then an elder and then a travelling overserr and then a district oveerseer and then a member of the governing body?.

  will this make jehoover happy?

  or confused?

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  Wolfgirl

  Why? That's not his name. :)
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  For those of you who wear contact lenses

  by Wolfgirl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bausch.com/fda_press.pdf .

  renu with moistureloc solution recalled worldwide.

  i wouldn't have known except my husband heard it on the radio on the way home.

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  Wolfgirl

  http://www.bausch.com/fda_press.pdf
  
  ReNu with MoistureLoc solution recalled worldwide
  
  I wouldn't have known except my husband heard it on the radio on the way home. This is one of their most commonly used solutions, so check what you've got. I get my contacts in the post monthly, along with solution, and that's what I'm sent.
  
  (Edit: I seriously hate that you can't do anything with this board in Firefox.)
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  Drowning in Literature

  by 5thGeneration in

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  if i hadn't thrown out most of the books, mags, brochures and bound volumes i've accumulated over the decades, i swear i would need to build an addition on my house and call it the "literature wing"!.

  anyone else used to, or still are, drowning in literature?

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  Wolfgirl

  You could make a statement by burning them. ;)