i'd love to know what you guys think of this.
brother jackson (from the governing body) had this "neat" analogy at the very end of the convention.
he said; "what if you were watching a football game on tv, and it was the trojans against the fighting irish, and it's been a good game.
Billy; my family loves your sense of humor! The way you described WT theology fits them to a tee.
It also reminds me of sci-fi shows where people are trapped in a 'time-loop'.
Some of us on this thread might also enjoy the "Parallels-to-The-Borg-movies" thread.
the older i get, the more i see that the collective intelligence of people isn't too high.
i lump myself in on that.. when i first left, i was so conflicted.
do i try to help others by bringing down the wtbts?
It was nice reading about you Jeff. I had only gotten bits and pieces of your story
from your funny comments, or words of encouragement to others like us.
It's good to know that theres people like you, and some of the other posters out there.
We all once knew the lie as "the truth" and practiced it. Know the WT is starting to look like the idiot!
That's why we're here, to help others see that by explaining how the Society's practices are bad.
i didn't want it to get buried and i'd really like to know.. so i knew pretty much what he was saying was true, but what i don't get is how the creative accounting works.. i mean you have to show expenses on the ledger - and i mean real expenses, like the co/do expenses along with receipts.. you have actual costs for the power coming into the building.
the paper supplies and cleaning supplies.
the vacuum cleaners and mops and other sundry items, and you have to have receipts for all that.. i also know that when you made a "donation" it was off the books at the circuit level as far as accounts were concerned.. but how is money not being accounted for?.
It's a stagged tactic of manipulation described as; Announcement Folly's,
were a speaker states the dire accounts report and end with a cherry salutation
of "Jehovah's blessing for your charitable donations." It happened at all the assy's
my family went to, and at of them a larger amount was in it by next assy! At first ,
we thought: "Wow, God's spirit is on the org! or Wow, God must have made a bro. a millionaire!"
After some years we counted them, 1 out of all the circuits we knew, and very few rich ones.
So by the accounts numbers being magically manipulated through slick sales techniques
from premature announcements, 'well-ah! The flock is scammed, sheared, and discarded until the next assy.
i read the ray franz book but witnesses just see the scripture about going "house to house".
how would you help a witness understand the reality?.
Right; so if we love God, each other and others we'll be a truer from
of worship than the WTB&TS. They have proved to love themselves,
the boy's club, and pedophiles, just to mention a few. H to H was Jesus
training for the twelve disciples; in the end times it's love, not D to Dsales.
hope y'all don't mind if i ghost write this post for my husband.... i recently let my friend borrow my copy of the movie "the island".
for those who haven't seen it, the plot takes place in a futuristic setting in los angeles where science has perfected human cloning.
the latest rage in medicine is to have a clone made and maintained for you should you ever need it for organ transplants.
My focus on "The Village" was:
1) that they were living in the past,
2) the leaders had changed the dates of their generation,
3) they were teaching from out dated books,
4) their community was isolated from the outside world, and
5) any thing that compromised their beliefs newer made it over
the walls to the young people that grew up there.
i'd love to know what you guys think of this.
brother jackson (from the governing body) had this "neat" analogy at the very end of the convention.
he said; "what if you were watching a football game on tv, and it was the trojans against the fighting irish, and it's been a good game.
That's right. The fact that it is transparent to us, proves that it exists. And if it exits,
then there will be many who go no further than the veneer. It's like "the image of the Beast",
it exits as a powerful concept. So the two are "both tools of Satan", one is "the kings of the earth"
the other is "Babylon the Great." WT illustrations have always been great, and so has been their religious illusion.
i have to hand it to the society.
they understand the power of organization.
they demonstrate that no matter how ridiculous your message and how much the facts don't support your position you can still accomplish a lot if you are organized.
That's right! When the see us in public they say: "You guys look great! What have you been doing?
Were do you go now?" We say: "Were ever we want!" They get a dumb founded look on their faces
and stop asking questions. Their probably thinking: "Why am I so miserable in such a 'happy organization'?"
i read the ray franz book but witnesses just see the scripture about going "house to house".
how would you help a witness understand the reality?.
That's why some in our family (all are exjw's), still talk about the Bible to co-workers, business partners,
and the cashiers and managers of the stores that the shop at; but don't go d2d trying to sell religion's creeds.
since i decided to leave off being a jw i have been pursuing an interest in new age/celtic religion.
i don't want anything to do with christianity any more, but don't have enough knowledge yet to completely abandon all belief in god.
i am also averse to accepting this life is all there is since i spent half of it wasting my time as a jw.. anyway, i have found a local coven that is looking for new members and is willing to train anyone who is new.
The Bible mentions signs, but only someone trusting in God understands the sign that God gave him.
This happened several times to some in our family. The most notable:
1) A prayer was said to find "the true church of God"-KJV The Bible was opened, a finger placed on a verse,
and eyes opened. That verse was Ps. 83:18, "YHWH", "most High." For years, our family were JW's.
But we got it wrong, the sign wasn't Isa. 43: 10-12, you are my witnesses", "says Jehovah"-NWT
The sign wasn't about religion that called God by a German translated name,
but in was about true worship that puts YHWH above any would-be leaders of the flock.
2) The second next big thing was the last of our immediate family was going to drop off JW stuff
one last time at an elders house. Along the way, with a prayerful mind set, they wondered
if they were doing the right thing? Just before the exit , the overcast day revealed an opening in the sky.
It was exactly were the sun was, with one small cloud passed in front of it. The cloud was in the shape of a star,
and the elders talk about being "stars in Christ's right hand." So if they believed the elders, then they should
meet him with the stuff. But if the sign is interpreted as the elders are "standing in a holy place,"
competing with God and Christ for worship; then flee from them! The elder they planed on seeing was the most
moderate at that hall, but the most convincing. Had our family members gone there, he my have talked them into
staying! Make no mistake, when Gods does sends us a little nudge, it's no coincidence. So discern if He wants you
to go that way, or just to look out for a danger in that direction. God does miracles, we don't need a witch book of magic.
i'd love to know what you guys think of this.
brother jackson (from the governing body) had this "neat" analogy at the very end of the convention.
he said; "what if you were watching a football game on tv, and it was the trojans against the fighting irish, and it's been a good game.
The WT, it's speakers and the elder tell us not to talk down the house holder in the ministry.
But after their baptized, then WT, CO's and elders can talk down to them with full immunity and authority.
Our family, fro some time have be of the opinion that these in positions of leadership thinks of it's congregates as
a bunch of "idiots!" Maybe because they were able to "throughly deceive (us)" with "counterfeit words."
