i was very hooked on the rc videos, really interesting to watch.
i started questioning stuff a couple of months ago.. however there is still a scenario that makes me wonder.
considering the israelites as god's chosen people and the kings as anointed, the bible shows many bad decisions the people made, including the rulers that were anointed.
Hi Noidea, and welcome!
Many of us here are trying to unlearn and relearn and just plain learn in general.
For the most part,people here are extremely kind and helpful. Dont feel you have to rush or get anywhere quickly. Its ok to stand there and let the sand run through your fingers and simply be empty for a bit. Keep reading and asking questions and educate yourself and you will not regret it.
Really glad you are here.
at the regional convention (national!!
) for scotland, mark sanderson elicited 13 rounds of applause during his closing talk, (for the least little things!
) plus a final one for his closing prayer!
We always applauded more and more the closer we got to the end of the final talk on the final day.
Looking back it was an in vain attempt to build to some kind of crescendo.
Nothing else was going to be a high point - might as well be the clapping!
i'm still 'in' and this website is the only thing that's been keeping me sane for a long while.. knowing that i'm not alone, the success stories, and the constant update of breaking news that provides hope such as the exposure of the organisation at the hands of the royal commission makes me happy while i'm stuck in this dark hole.
that's so especially today when i'm dealing with a sht storm of personal issues and the pretending that everything is fine is just rubbing pepper into my wounds.
i'm thankful for this website and all you beautiful people.
jw07,
hang in there dear person. I was where you are at one point and life can and it does get better.
This site has played a huge role in my recovery through the wealth of knowledge and real life experience contained herein.
tues august 4, 2015.
royal commission questioning of:.
rodney spinks .
Perhaps he knew where the line of questioning was leading....
one woldnt want to agree that pioneers bring in lots of people and spend tons of hours working with them if the RC is about to bust out figures as to how many pioneers were pedophiles...
walking towards my seat after lunch, i made eye-contact with a j.w.
male walking towards me.
as we were passing, he smiled and said 'hello', so i replied with, 'hello'.. well, if a member of the g.b.
pray for brother jackson of the governing body!.
in todays news from australia it appears that, despite his previous declination to appear when invited, justice mcclellan from the australian royal commission on child sex abuse will officially summon brother geoffrey jackson to the stand after all.. ..... the commission was due to conclude its hearings into the jehovahs witnesses on wednesday but justice mcclellan said he will now call geoffrey jackson, a senior member of the churchs governing body in new york who is currently in australia, to appear next week.. .
source.
Working theory here...
ALL websites pro and con are being monitored as to what the flock seems to be leaning toward in their thinking. Careful attention is being paid to feedback from middle men (C.O.s)
If it seems the flock feels the concerns are warranted, then the BEST thing Jackson could do is appear and agree and outline how the Org is gearing up to lead the world in pedophile protection and sensitivity.
That would give the flock a "reply to him who is taunting me".
It would be the surest way to shake loose from the jaws of the RC - agree with them and show you are working on their suggestions.
Then it wouldnt be long before the JWs were arrogantly tsk tsking other big more unwieldy institutions-who have been more resistant to responding in the positive.
i have not turned in a single field service report this year.
i decided not to, after noticing the simple flaw in the calculation of 1914. the implications are huge, i.e the appointment of the fds is a fraud.
i some days ago informed them of the private watchtower documents that are in my possession courtesy of the royal commission.
Respectfully requiring they follow your terms instead of their habitual comfort zone way of doing things. I really like the scriptural references you used too.
Great job quincemyles.
sorry as this topic may have been covered many times but any thoughts or links to other topics on how the pro-jw websites are commenting on this.. rub a dub.
Oh yes......there still are a few sites floating around. I belong to one. My original goal when I could no longer get rational thoughts from the brains of my local elders over my personal situation was to write the Org. They seemed to waffle back and forth and come up with lame solutions such as me just "staying busy in the work" ( (I was already pioneering with 13 bible studies - most of them attending meetings and 3 already unbaptized pubs. so exactly how I was to be "more" busy was never clearly stated) and another big favorite line "just move on, the past is the past".
So baffled, I joined a PRO JW site and I joined here. My goal was to get the ying and yang of thoughts.
Within less than a week it was clear to me that anything I was going to learn about spirituality, accuracy and how to really cope was going to come from THIS site and not the other. They are too busy trying to "out spiritual" one another to think about true and accurate knowlege in any form.
I still remain a member and occasionally read there, it reminds me of being at the dinner table with my extended family. lol. Sad but true.
as the shepherd the flock book is now in the public domain, if the .org decides to create a new manual, how soon will it be leaked?.
this is mostly a question for wifibandit, but anyone else who may know is welcome to answer.
would it be a matter of days before we get a .pdf?
I dont know but I have become a Wifi bandit groupie the same way that some around here have become an Angus Stewart fan!
My spiritual food is given to me so much quicker here than it was in the congregation.
Long live Wifi and all who collaborate with him!
this morning i phoned my sister so as to know how the things are going with her problem with the congregation.
if i remember well, five weeks ago, my sister was asked by the elders (in the street) to attend a judicial meeting for apostasy.
my sister told them that she firstly needs a formal letter specifying who is accusing her.
I have heard (here on this site) that involving the legal system gets you an abeyance which can last indefinitely. (or forever...see the familiar JW use of that word?)
In my off this board life, I have been told that the other way to get an abeyance is to state that you will be suicidal if you are DFd.
I was told this was the "new" protocol for the service desk to follow.
I am assuming if you are dealing with very difficult elders this "suicide" threat would have to appear in the form of documentation from a Dr. or therapist.
Basically, both reasons have ZERO to do with guilt of anything scriptural or lack of.
What is at play is legal liability. A paper trail of any sort ups the individuals odds and lowers the Orgs.
They know that.
So anyone being threatened with a judicial meeting they dont want should consider one of the two options above.
It is completely irrelevant if it is true or not. It is a pre-preemptive move using the only thing the Org fears - the legal system/judgements ($$$)
