Uh oh speaker............
It takes one to know one.
today during the public talk the speaker said that satan was behind the new modern phones, which are like mini computers, so that the world would have easy access to pornography..
Uh oh speaker............
It takes one to know one.
1. boring as s***e 2. extremely boring 3. boring as hell 4. boring.
5. slightly boring 6. not bad.
7. fair.
ive been lurking for a while and finally got around to registering.
about me: i was essentially born in & indoctrinated from youth.
i was always a borderline "bad association" type because i always did the minimum and always disagreed with much of what was taught; even when i was a child.. luckily for me my father was never a jw so i never had to endure the male head pressure.
Hi and welcome!
I agree about more changes in the last 4 years than ever before. Too bad none of the changes are any good, huh?
a number of years ago when i was still active, our service group was having a coffee break with the visiting circuit overseer.
during the conversation he mentioned that the "society" was now being run like a business.
being raised in the "truth" i thought that rather odd (and my eyes began to be opened!
I think there is a possibility it could be something more sinister.
While the Governing Body were tripping the light fantastic in their top floor office, there is NO way the accountants up at Bethel were not watching the money.
Things appeared to be in order until very recently. As a result, everyone signed off on that letter coming out and a special meeting being called at all the Kingdom Halls to tell them JWs were about to embark on a building work like the world had never seen, The letter said they werent even going to wait for some properties to be for sale, if they saw a strategic property they were just going to make an offer.
Do you all remember that?
That was TEN months ago.
And I think they would have rather eaten ground glass than have to announce a halt.
So something happened quickly. What could that be? An embblzement that has only recently been uncovered? Bad investments of VERY recent origin? A big lawsuit or series of them looming?
for some reason, i love autumn .
i always did as kid.
warm days, and cool nights, changing leaves, sunny days of the indian summer or eastern european equivalent called "grandma summer".
Another fall lover here!
There is such a feeling of change in the air. A feeling that something momentous is happening.
The earth and its native inhabitants are gearing up for a big slumber.
I have been studying (as a hobby) with a naturalist who does field trips in the countryside and shows us all the plants and roots that can be used for food or to fight winters ails.
It is fascinating to learn how the depth of the roots or the width of the leaves etc, indicate the type of winter that is coming and so on.
I love photography also, so taking my camera and going on one of his hikes and learning while taking pictures is such a relief from work and day to day "stuff".
I gather that spring in the natural world is pretty amazing too but I dont see how it can top NOW! (for me).
been totally out for a bit over a year.
feels great.
but i still get depressed occasionally.
I agree wholeheartedly Lambs!
More than any other one single thing this site has helped me keep the big picture while I come to my senses and re- find myself and my bearings.
someone named john free popped in on one of my posts at exmormon[dot]com and mentioned this website.
i have a lot of questions.
i never knew much about about the jw church.
JWs are ruled by a Governing Body. Mormons have the Quorum of Twelve.JWs have an annual meeting. So do Mormons.
JWs have revised their Bible recently. The Mormons did the same.
JWs have a slick website. So do the Mormons.
JWs go door-to-door. Mormons practice the same.
JWs now have Family Study Night. Mormons have the same.
In many cases, Mormons beat JWs to the punch.
Dont they also have their very own Caleb and Sophia and had it first?
someone named john free popped in on one of my posts at exmormon[dot]com and mentioned this website.
i have a lot of questions.
i never knew much about about the jw church.
Hello Cold-Dodger, its nice to meet you.
I really enjoyed reading your post, you write with different descriptive words but otherwise very much like a J Dub would.
I think the biggest difference that as a former JW I would have said existed between us is the immortality of the soul.
Mormons obviously believe in this. JWs do not.
We were taught that immortality has to be granted by God and is only given to special people (like the 144,000) and that even Jesus himself didnt get it until he died faithful on earth first.
JWs are never given the hope of having it but the consolation prize if they do everything right is they can live forever which is different than being immortal because you have to stay in Gods good graces or at any moment in living forever you could be cut off.
Its like spiritual life support
Funny that so many of us worked so hard hoping for that!
My Mormon thing that I never could understand clearly was the trinity. Mormons dont/do believe in it?
It always seemed muddled to me.
One more thing!
(I always got the secret impression that the higher up JWs were jealous of the Mormons because they were a) happier b) better growth/larger numbers c) richer )
The JWs probably didnt talk to you when you would see them in their tract work because you have a strong (if weird and incorrect) religion. They like people who are "less" religous to try and convert instead of lost causes with false strong false beliefs (which describes themselves, ironically).
i don't recall in jw land they use this verse to prove the end is near.. my question, what is this knowledge?.
it's a great verse to cover their butts, the light is getting brighter.
lol.
to get to the point straight away i think the crane accident that occurred at warwick was a significant catalyst that has caused the org.
to change its plans suddenly.. list of assumptions, not all of them are validated.
- there was a serious crane accident that occurred at warwick approx.
Very well written and logically based original post Listener, thank you for taking the time to write that out.
Two things I am still puzzled over though,
1) The letter read at the special elders meeting last Jan. (2014) detailing a ramped up building work.
What could have happened since that point? If not "something happened", then something they became aware since that letter that happened earlier?
2) The look, attitude, demeanor of Anthony Morris on that morning worship video a month ago.
He looked and acted devastated. He was incapable of hiding it. What had he just become aware of?
So it may very well be what you stated. But how, with all the accountants and quarterly reports etc did they believe they were poised to ramp up hugely?
How could they have thought that? Because the letter (in order to be read in January) had to have been composed about this time last year.