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  I have 5 Audible credits I need to use up. Recommendations?

  by nicolaou in

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  something to make me think or laugh.

  i've done the hitchens, dawkins, harris thing and as much as i rate them i'd like to move off at a tangent .

  always enjoy philosophy or even something with a theological bent.. i'm coming to the end of heretic by ayaan hirsi ali and can thoroughly recommend it.. c'mon guys, don't let me down .

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  millie210

  "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu

  A book about strategy.
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  Your thoughts on Halloween , yes, no or maybe ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  well its that time again when the ghouls come out to play.

  i personally think halloween is a bit irresponsible and inappropriate from a sociological perspective.. there's something about the intent of frightening young impressionable children minds with frightening objests.

  and feeding them candy which most likely cause tooth decay and stomachs is irresponsible activity conducted by adults.

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  Halloween sounds lovely done Faye Dunaway style.
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  Hello everyone! I am new here and want to tell you about myself - my bio

  by Hollywood20 in

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  grew up in east la in a bad neighborhood to a black mother and white father.

  i never knew my father because he died in a car accident when i was a few weeks old.

  my mother converted as a jw soon after when two sisters came to her door and offered her comfort, which was something she needed.

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  Oh Hollywood.....your story is so touching. Makes my heart ache for you.

  Just remember one very true saying...

  Its easier to ask forgiveness than permission

  go get that contract and then work on healing any hurt feelings.

  And welcome, welcome, welcome to the forum!!!
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  Dissenters in Watchtower History: Differing Departures

  by slimboyfat in

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  i'm reading an excellent book about defectors from the mormon church called differing visions: dissenters in mormon history.

  through a collection of essays from many academic authors it looks at the life stories of dissenters and reasons for departure, as well as analysing the impact of their dissent on the church itself.

  fascinating stuff and makes me wish there was a similar volume looking at the key dissenters from jws/watchtower and the impact they had.

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  millie210

  How about Paul Grundy?
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  Mid - Week Meeting This Week

  by xjwsrock in

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  millie210 posted this on another thread - i thought it deserved it's own op:.

  i took an elderly friend to the meeting last night.

  the study is in the "imitate their faith" book which is merely a compilation of previous short stories about bible characters that were featured in a series of watchtower articles.. they waste no time beginning their spinning and supposition with the cain/abel story.

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  millie210

  So this is how the meeting went in its entirety:

  Brother opens with prayer and says "Please bless the governing body as they are writing this information for us we are about to cover"

  
  

  {my mind says - not according to Geoffrey Jacksons testimony in Australia - he says the writing committee writes it and they just sign off on it}

  Bible Highlights - bland

  Bible reading - bland; no comments - just read and sit down.

  The book study as commented on above in everyones posts.

  The Service Meeting:

  Fakey presentation of a tract

  Announcement - Outdoor work at Assembly Hall- no shorts, no plunging necklines, no T-shirts with logos or symbols, no children except in certain areas accompanied by a parent
  

  (serving as tribute in the Hunger Games sounds more fun actually)

  Then a sound drama from headquarters to be played over the sound system. It was about Jonah. I had to look at the material to see what the application was supposed to be and it was supposed to be that we are not to mind if we get corrected.(by Jehovah of course)

  It was very poorly done. I havent heard many others so maybe this was a fluke

  (I doubt it)

  One brother commented that we need to "like" the new mid meeting program even if we dont really think we do NOW because the change means the end is coming and we want to keep up with the chariot and not expect us to let the chariot drag us because the chariot doesnt drag people....its their own responsibility to keep up."

  {my mind - what???? like it even if you dont and change means the end is coming.... what if they hadnt changed the program? Would that mean the end wasnt coming?}

  The concluding song 113 was disconcerting because it was music from an old song (something about virgins and lamp oil maybe?) but it was sung with new words.

  Weird.

  The End

  dont you just feel all kinds of encouraged and up-built now? :smirk:
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  Your thoughts on Halloween , yes, no or maybe ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
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  well its that time again when the ghouls come out to play.

  i personally think halloween is a bit irresponsible and inappropriate from a sociological perspective.. there's something about the intent of frightening young impressionable children minds with frightening objests.

  and feeding them candy which most likely cause tooth decay and stomachs is irresponsible activity conducted by adults.

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  I really dont care one way or the other. But then, I dont have young kids. If I did maybe I would have to think about this deeply and pick a place to stand.

  One thing I remember from doing some extensive research eons ago is that the end of October (or Samhain as mentioned above) actually can be traced back to the date of the flood.

  Thus making it the date the demons dematerialized.

  If I vaguely remember it was working off of a date in the scriptures?

  Sorry not more clear in my memory.

  It is interesting that whether that is true or not, as Samhaim, All Saints Eve or Hallow een, it has cleaved to the traditional theme.
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  Mid - Week Meeting This Week

  by xjwsrock in

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  millie210 posted this on another thread - i thought it deserved it's own op:.

  i took an elderly friend to the meeting last night.

  the study is in the "imitate their faith" book which is merely a compilation of previous short stories about bible characters that were featured in a series of watchtower articles.. they waste no time beginning their spinning and supposition with the cain/abel story.

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  thank you xjwsrock!

  I was completely floored at the entire content of the study.

  Did I really used to sit through this stuff every week?

  Good point about the anachronism of inserting a bronze age weapon into a stone age story.
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  Recent study links processed meats to cancer

  by duc007az in

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  so a recent study says processed meats are just as dangerous as cigarettes when it comes to cancer.

  the wtbs has had a long time stance that smoking is a df offense.

  my question is if there's proof beyond doubt, why doesn't the wtbs make eating processed meats a df offense?.

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  millie210

  I think the word in the study to focus on is the word "processed" not the word meat,
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  "Her words suggest................."

  by RedPillPopper in

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  first time posting.

  i've lurked for about 2 years.

  30+yr convert.

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  millie210

  I think I probably should have started a thread about the manipulation of minds at the book study myself.

  I decided to search first and found this thread so I just tacked on a post.

  It is pathetic that what RRP, the original poster. wrote about was a Watchtower article and that is all the new study book is.....all those articles bound up and called a book that will now be studied for two years or more.

  Incredible.
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  "Her words suggest................."

  by RedPillPopper in

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  first time posting.

  i've lurked for about 2 years.

  30+yr convert.

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  millie210

  I took an elderly friend to the meeting last night. The study is in the "Imitate Their Faith" book which is merely a compilation of previous short stories about Bible characters that were featured in a series of Watchtower articles.

  They waste no time beginning their spinning and supposition with the Cain/Abel story. They launch a theory that perhaps Eve had the prophecy of Gen. 3:15 in mind when she uttered the words "I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah".

  They slyly introduce this thought with the phrase "her words suggest..." this is what she thought.

  Her words in no way suggest anything of the sort but they dont let that fact interfere whatsoever as they continue to build on it but switch tactics and ask the statement they had just made but now its in question form:

  "Did Eve think she was the woman mentioned in Genesis 3 and Cain was the seed"?

  They could have just as easily asked was Eve a unicorn? Because at this point they have just turned it in to a question...no liability/accountability there, right?

  They then go on to make some strong statements prefaced with "if"

  If she fed Cain such ideas growing up, they did his imperfect pride no good."

  Then they mention Abel and his names meaning. The meaning is supposedly "breath" "air" "vapor". This word can be used as vanity also as it is later in Ecclesiastes. So guess which meaning they leap on? Breath? Nope.

  Vanity. They then make the jaw dropping statement followed by the sneaky question:

  Did that choice of a name reflect lower expectations as if they put less hope in Abel than in Cain?

  We can only guess"

  
  

  Now that this groundwork has been laid (on absolutely nothing) they warn parents not to "fail" with their children like Eve did by fostering pride and ambition instead of love for Jehovah (apparently these are the only two choices in child rearing) lest you end up with a murderer for a son.

  Of course by this time the informational damage has been done. No one discounts everything above when they see that final statement. Instead they get the heavy message that what Cain did is Eves fault and it was due to bad parenting which is defined as NOT teaching your child to love Jehovah but to have pride and ambition instead.

  I guess its because my eyes are so open now but I see this SO clearly and I was completely dumbfounded at the audacity with which they do it AND with the apparent nonchalance of the audience who parroted back comments without any seeming shock whatsoever.

  Oh, and one final though. They dont have their definition of Abels name very accurately rendered either if you look at outside sources.

  Im so glad I got asked to go and that I went. It reinforced why NOT going is such a good idea. In my search for truth, they merely snarl up the process. Such a waste of time.