Posts by millie210

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

I like the fact that your words can help not just the ones discussing this thread but the new readers looking for a balanced viewpoint also.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

millie210

How about that paragraph that talks about all the victories the Org has won since 2000?

I wonder if they can really back that statement up with proof?

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A Seal Ring bearing King Hezekiah's found in Jerusalem excavation, with ankh symbol and winged sun

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

from a story in the jewish press:.

quote: "the city of david excavations of the jerusalem hebrew university on mount ophel, at the foot of the southern wall of the temple mount compound, have yielded a sensational discovery: a seal (bulla) with the name of king hezekiah (727-698 bce).".

"king hezekiahs bulla was discovered in a garbage heap that was dumped during or shortly after hezekiahs time, from a royal building that was used to store food.

millie210

respectful_observer
Can't wait to see the excitement of the discovery over on jwtalk, followed quickly with the excuses and rationalization of presence of the Ankh symbol...best running theory?:

LOL, I bet NO ONE will be commenting on the commonalities between old king Hezekiah and C.T. Russells artwork.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

millie210

Formerbrother
Is Jehovah real? The the Bible is word? If not whats the alternative? I cant see how any thinking person can believe evolution.

No one can say for sure. That is the torture of it and the beauty of it. Its a peculiarly scary thought to believe one is on ones own for any length of time. Its much nicer to think that we know the answers to the big questions.

Its been said that religions purpose (one of them) is to explain the unexplainable (or scary).

Then couldnt that be said of any belief system, even a non religious one?

I think that the best gift we can give ourselves on learning that JWs have feet of clay is to not rush towards another belief system. No matter how authoritatively it is presented, no matter how "safe" it makes us feel.

There is truth in time. Time resolves a lot of the issues humans have argued over down through the ages. Every Witness should give themselves the gift of time. Time to listen inside the vacuum created upon learning Jehovahs Witnesses dont have the market cornered on "truth". No one does.

Question for you FormerBrother, do you see any way that some of the organic and chemical reactions that have occurred over time that are clumped together under the term "evolution" could have really happened - only they happened under the direction of a Creator?

This is not a question with a right/wrong answer, I am genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts.

I think the process of awakening to what we can believe/not believe is every bit as important as where we end up and should be treated with respect and care so I promise not to ridicule your answer or dismiss it. It is your answer and it is completely relevant to the process at hand.

475

What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

millie210

Formerbrother
I mean this with all due respect, I would like to hear from genuine people who think JW have it wrong and then what is the truth?
Im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.

You get an A for effort here but if the best indication of the future is the past, then your thread will veer off of your noble request shortly.

I respect and love this forum. I really think it has saved my sanity. That being said, it is unfortunately NOT a good place to learn about things like you mentioned above.

By learn, I mean a friendly non ego based discussion where each person is allowed to draw their own conclusions.

It seems like the basics breakdown along two lines. You quickly become a non theist and are hell bent on making sure others know you have the superior and "only" right way - now.

Or, you wonder, have questions and learn to keep to the edges and try to learn as quietly as you can without drawing the attention of the "we know the real and only truth now" posters.

I say now because that is exactly how the JWs think. It is like being a car salesman but now you are just selling a different make and model of cars but that belief that YOU are right and everyone must see things as you do? That remains very strong.

I see it as dangerous to adopt any view that must be argued so strenuously that basic rules of kindness have to be suspended for the higher supposed good of imparting what "new facts" someone supposedly currently embraces.

I honestly am searching for answers to the very questions you have raised. I hope this thread continues to draw the thoughtful kind posts it has above. If so, maybe I can learn something. If not, then my learning curve will plod along as best I can on my own.

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JW Talk

by Alive! in

was sipping my coffee, browsing here and there, and then focussed on reading here regarding arc, picked up some world news on same subject - and wondered if jw org would publish any information on their news site.. then, i flicked to jw talk - anything in their public news forum?

a newish headline 'australia and jehovah's witnesses' or something like that - i entered link - web page error, not found.

nope.

millie210

I just went to JWTalk and all I could see was in their alternative news section.

Is that private?

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Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

by jwfacts in

there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

what would be their motive for these details?

the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

millie210

This letter was already sent out in the Staes a few months ago.

I remember a thread about it here.

So what does sending it out in Australia now signify? Are they throwing the net wider?

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Anointed Directing the Anointed?

by compound complex in

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] resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.

revelation: its grand climax at hand!, pages, 124, 125, paragraph 17..

millie210

I have been reading their literature for many years and how I always missed the fact that they prefaced nearly every important statement with a disclaimer is sad!

"It appears", "therefore we can conclude"," it is reasonable to assume" the list goes on and on.

Good thread CC!

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Theocratic Ministry School cancelled. Why?

by the girl next door in

is it possible this aspect of the meeting was cancelled so that jws would not be categorized as a "school" where in many areas elders and ministerial servants would have to submit to a background check by secular authorities?

millie210

I got a text that it is being said that the reason they did that was because of new rules requiring background checks of teachers in religious settings?

Anyone else hear this or can verify?

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I think I was off the day they taught ...

by Simon in

does anyone else have those things that everyone else seems to know ... except you?

it's like you were off the day it was taught in school and you don't know that you don't know about it.

but everyone else does.. i have a couple .... first, days of the month.

millie210

the girl next door
For example I just learned that mixing left and right may have something to do with personality! lolhttp://typeindepth.com/2010/11/mixing-right-and-left/

And here I thought I was the only one!