Posts by millie210

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Elders who dislike other congregation elders

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my congregation had four elders who had different personalities.you would see a little friction among themselves.. #1 self-righteous and the 800 pound gorilla.he would push everyone around in the congregation and even some fellow elders.. # 2 elder was around 80 years old and looked like he stuck around a little too long.it looked like he was around because he never decided to give up the position.his duty became very light as he aged.. # 3 elder was in his early 30's and newly elected.he made no waves and whatever was asked of him in the congregation he would do.easy to push around like a little puppy dog.. #4 elder (who everyone liked ) was easy to get along with and had a family who everyone loved.

he didn't like elder # 1. they had a power struggle amongst each other which everyone observed while the meetings were in session.. here are 2 small verbal fights that i observed while the congregation meetings were in session:.

while elder # 1 was giving a talk ( heavy rain storms are brewing outside with loud thunder and lightning ) the microphones and lights are knocked out.we lost all power and could barely see.

millie210

Johny Franco, you nailed it!

As the daughter of, sister of, wife of, mother of ELDER(s) at various points in my life I have seen it exactly as you laid it out in your post.

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The scripture most taken out of context

by Coded Logic in

for whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that through patience and through comfort of the scriptures we might have hope.- romans 15:4. ever consider that paul wasn't referencing his own letters to the congregations?

and he certainly wasn't referring to the gospels which hadn't even been written yet.

anybody else ever notice this?.

millie210

Proverbs 4:18

The path of the righteous is like the light of dawn that grows brighter until the full light of day.

The JW concept of getting "new light" is completely an organizational idea NOT a scriptural one.

If they applied the scripture accurately they would have to stick with a doctrine and then watch it get clearer and clearer (or brighter and brighter).

The scriptue uses the illustration of a dawn. When you are observing a sunrise objects do not turn in to the opposite of themselves as the sun rises. Its just the details of said objects that get clearer.

The fact that they hijack this simple, illustrated scripture does not inspire confidence in their ability to look in to deeper scriptures.

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BOE 2015-12-04 Re: Literature Offer for January through June 2016

by wifibandit in

source.

pdf.

december 4, 2015. to all congregations in the united states branch territory .

millie210

It almost makes the "offer for the month" sound like a secondary thought.

Doesnt sound front and center anymore at all.

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Good Afternoon All

by Kick50r in

in the last 5/6 years, i've read many threads, some made me laugh , others sad such is life , but was a very pleasant experience.

so i though it was time to introduce myself a bit.. im portuguese although living in the u.k. atm.

im from a (now) jw family and i have 2 sisters.

millie210

Welcome kick50r,

Your story is so heartwarming and encouraging to read.

You said:

"They may find it difficult , those who have taken authority as the truth rather than the truth as the authority"

That is it exactly isnt it?

Really glad you are here!

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Scientology loses Tax Exempt status in Netherlands!

by talesin in

the hague court has made this ruling ......... i searched, and no topic showed up, so hope this is not 'old news'.. if a cult loses its tax-free status, does anybody care?well, yeah!

*pumps fist in the air*.

it's about time.

millie210

nicolaou, your post sounds like the JW reply to the Australians :smile:

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

millie210

Amazing post COntrOl3r.

I like the fact that your words can help not just the ones discussing this thread but the new readers looking for a balanced viewpoint also.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

millie210

How about that paragraph that talks about all the victories the Org has won since 2000?

I wonder if they can really back that statement up with proof?

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A Seal Ring bearing King Hezekiah's found in Jerusalem excavation, with ankh symbol and winged sun

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

from a story in the jewish press:.

quote: "the city of david excavations of the jerusalem hebrew university on mount ophel, at the foot of the southern wall of the temple mount compound, have yielded a sensational discovery: a seal (bulla) with the name of king hezekiah (727-698 bce).".

"king hezekiahs bulla was discovered in a garbage heap that was dumped during or shortly after hezekiahs time, from a royal building that was used to store food.

millie210

respectful_observer
Can't wait to see the excitement of the discovery over on jwtalk, followed quickly with the excuses and rationalization of presence of the Ankh symbol...best running theory?:

LOL, I bet NO ONE will be commenting on the commonalities between old king Hezekiah and C.T. Russells artwork.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

millie210

Formerbrother
Is Jehovah real? The the Bible is word? If not whats the alternative? I cant see how any thinking person can believe evolution.

No one can say for sure. That is the torture of it and the beauty of it. Its a peculiarly scary thought to believe one is on ones own for any length of time. Its much nicer to think that we know the answers to the big questions.

Its been said that religions purpose (one of them) is to explain the unexplainable (or scary).

Then couldnt that be said of any belief system, even a non religious one?

I think that the best gift we can give ourselves on learning that JWs have feet of clay is to not rush towards another belief system. No matter how authoritatively it is presented, no matter how "safe" it makes us feel.

There is truth in time. Time resolves a lot of the issues humans have argued over down through the ages. Every Witness should give themselves the gift of time. Time to listen inside the vacuum created upon learning Jehovahs Witnesses dont have the market cornered on "truth". No one does.

Question for you FormerBrother, do you see any way that some of the organic and chemical reactions that have occurred over time that are clumped together under the term "evolution" could have really happened - only they happened under the direction of a Creator?

This is not a question with a right/wrong answer, I am genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts.

I think the process of awakening to what we can believe/not believe is every bit as important as where we end up and should be treated with respect and care so I promise not to ridicule your answer or dismiss it. It is your answer and it is completely relevant to the process at hand.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

millie210

Formerbrother
I mean this with all due respect, I would like to hear from genuine people who think JW have it wrong and then what is the truth?
Im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.

You get an A for effort here but if the best indication of the future is the past, then your thread will veer off of your noble request shortly.

I respect and love this forum. I really think it has saved my sanity. That being said, it is unfortunately NOT a good place to learn about things like you mentioned above.

By learn, I mean a friendly non ego based discussion where each person is allowed to draw their own conclusions.

It seems like the basics breakdown along two lines. You quickly become a non theist and are hell bent on making sure others know you have the superior and "only" right way - now.

Or, you wonder, have questions and learn to keep to the edges and try to learn as quietly as you can without drawing the attention of the "we know the real and only truth now" posters.

I say now because that is exactly how the JWs think. It is like being a car salesman but now you are just selling a different make and model of cars but that belief that YOU are right and everyone must see things as you do? That remains very strong.

I see it as dangerous to adopt any view that must be argued so strenuously that basic rules of kindness have to be suspended for the higher supposed good of imparting what "new facts" someone supposedly currently embraces.

I honestly am searching for answers to the very questions you have raised. I hope this thread continues to draw the thoughtful kind posts it has above. If so, maybe I can learn something. If not, then my learning curve will plod along as best I can on my own.