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Please help me understand a JW dream

by Mindchild in

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please help me understand this jw dream.. my therapist once told me that dreams are one of the ways that our subconscious mind have of telling us something emotionally urgent about ourselves.

as i had a dream last night that really aroused my feelings, i was wondering if anyone cared to take a stab at what it is trying to tell me?.

the dream.... i find myself at an indoor circuit assembly.

mommy

Hey Skipper I will give this a go.

You felt pressured while in, to help out as much as possible, even putting off your own desires(symbolized by hunger) to get as much work done for the org as possible. When the GB member took your seat you did not mind, thus you felt inferior to him. He tried to take your personal items, but you put up a fight. Perhaps this was the start of you walking away from the org?

JFK could symbolize that you were the only JW who kept up with world events? I know my mom liked him because she said he did alot for the JW's, I never really looked into that part of our history though.

When you go outside you realize you have a pile of sh*t to your name and nothing else, and they wanted that too. Or maybe that symbolizes that they really drained you.

Now the black guy in the white sports car brings up visions of Rush Hour...lol Of course he had a black car huh? Well you decide to fight for what is yours and the race is on No matter how close you get to them they keep loading you down with sh*it and you are unable to catch up. But you realize that it is their own demise that they bring about, serves them right for unloading all that sh*t

The green garden hose...I have no idea! Maybe you are a perfectionist?

Talk soon
love,
wendy

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Lurker comes clean with first post

by Mozzer4Life in

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well, this is really my 3rd post, but my first here i am thread.

oh yea, my name is neil.

many of you might recognize me as andi or billygoats boyfriend.

mommy

Welcome Neil!
You are not the first person who has no ties except a loved one who has been hurt by the org to come here. Soon you will see that we don't always talk just about JW stuff. We are a tight little family here, with the obnoxious cousins and all Can't wait to hear more from you.
wendy

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Bethel Doctor--Is it me, or was this odd??

by Sherri in

i was at bethel with my now ex-husband in early 1982. at that time, they did a tb test as part of the physical when you started.

mine came out positive for exposure (though i did not and have never had tb), probably because i had worked as a receptionist in a hospital x-ray department.. the weird bit is that the bethel doctor insisted on giving me a gynacological exam.

as i was only 22 at the time, and butt-stupid, i went ahead and let him.

mommy

Sherri,
Welcome to the board That is indeed strange, and I am suprised that he did not do a chest x ray, I hope you have gotten one regularly since then? The only thing I can think of is that he did it to test for any STD's. TB is a communicable disease, and so are STD's, if you are found with one communicable disease a doctor may suggest that you be tested for all. But, I must tell you that this is highly unlikely for a doctor to jump from lung to ummm, down there

This has me thinking though, how many times he actually performed a gyn exam. Any good doctor will tell you that this is not a common procedure for all doctors, and many will suggest you go to an expert to have it done. So perhaps he was doing it to keep up with his practice?
wendy

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What's Your New Years Resolution............

by ladonna in

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no, i haven't told you mine because i need some ideas from you guys .

giving up spending so much time on the forum????.

nah!!!

mommy

Ana,
HAHA this is an easy one for me Around Mid march I will drop about 20 pounds. hmmm maybe I should call that a prophecy

Actually years ago I was adamant about New Years resolutions, now I don't really pay much attention to it. If I set my mind to do something I do it any time of the year. Good luck to all that do make one though
wendy

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Atheism's view on death

by ashitaka in

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well, it's winter, and it's just a bit more depressing this time of year, and i'm thinking about death.

i wonder, what do atheists believe about death?

do you believe in any way that a 'spirit' lives on?

mommy

The whole time I was growing up I wanted to go to heaven. As a JW I was told I could not go to heaven, and I was destined to live on this earth, I never enjoyed that prospect. When I left the JW faith I was content that I would live in heaven after I died, and was excited about this. I never feared death, I still don't. What I fear is those who die that I love and care for. It is the loneliness they leave us with that makes death so unpleasant. Also as a parent or a partner of others we fear our death for them, because we will be leaving them.

I feel that there are those who need an afterlife dream to endure the day in and day out of living. Death is not an easy thing for us to deal with. Nobody knows what is on the other side, not even John Edwards If it comforts those to think they will have a place to go, that is all that matters. Who would want to live their whole life in fear of not having an answer, if an answer is what you seek.

Where will I go when I die? Where have I been before I was born? I still don't know, and don't really think that much about it. As Julie said this is the life we are living now. I tend to think that if we live this life to the fullest, and accomplish all that we set out to, when it ends we can say we have no regrets. And we may get a sweet suprise for us

I was really fortunate to work with so many older people who were on their deathbeds, they were willing to share their knowledge with me, and I hope that I have learned from them. The ones who said they had no regrets had such a peaceful appearance, and those who did not seemed to be in turmoil. But needless to say the whole dieing experience is a horrible one, unless you are fortunate to die quickly. I never could understand why so many had to suffer after living their whole lives as good upright people. I still don't understand that.

Ashi, as long as you are content in your mind, and live each day as if it is your last, I don't think you can go wrong.
wendy

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

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darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

mommy

Morning
It appears that we keep missing each other at the bus station here, and this has really boiled down to one topic. Evil, and my reluctance to tell you that evil is clearly defined, and defined by god of the bible. I am sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this. I am going to bring up a question I posed earlier for you and would like for you to answer it:

I have stated that there is no clear definition for evil, you did not refute that, and cannot refute that. You stated that god is the originator of the moral code, and anything he says goes, so to speak. If this is so would you kill if god told you to kill? Why is there accounts in the bible of humans questioning god's moral decisions? You did not answer those questions for me yet. You cannot answer those questions, because if you do then you debunk your own ideas on god having a "code" at all. It is self refuting to say that god has a moral code, but you would abanddon that code if god told you to. In essence there is no "code" just a man in charge who has whims that may change at any time.

I am really interested in your comment on this.

You stated in your last post:

So if some musslum in your naberhood blew up a bomb for his belief in Allah and that happen to kill your kids, then by your standard and definition "YOU SAID IT" that act is really not evil.
Wendy, can't you see the absurdity of your position? people who are going to look at this conversation are going to get the impression that you are some sort of monster.

If a musslim followed what his heart told him and killed another because he felt god told him to, I would not call this evil. I would feel very sad for his misguided notions of there being a god that would even want him to do this. But I guess the problem lies in, he actually believes that there is a god that would want him to. What if your god told you to bomb a mosque? You really felt that he wanted you to do this, would that make you evil?

To sit back and say that I would feel sorry for someone who just murdered my children would be absurd. Perhaps in time I would forgive them, but in the heat of the moment, there is no telling what I would do. Also there is no telling what you would do either. I can be honest and say that I may abanddon all of my beliefs and take it upon myself to end their life. You may also, so what is the difference between us?

Your god tells you not to judge, yet again and again I see you making judgement calls on those who post here. Is it evil that you disobey your god? I don't think so, I think you really feel in your heart you are right, and you are not hurting anyone but yourself.

Of course you can't define evil your an athiest and you have NO standard for what is evil or good. someone could argue for the necessity of shooting your kids because they are in the way. and you with your athiesm would have no ground to stand on to say he is wrong. Because according to you there is no standard for right or wrong.

In my atheist view(as you call it) I do have a right to say what is right and wrong in my world. To kill another for no purpose and without medical reasonings is wrong. I stated that in my very first post. You continue to tell me that I cannot think this way, and I just don't see it. Why can't I have a moral code and not beleive in your god?

If your fear is that an atheist will bring down all moral continuity in society, well fear not! I know many who are moral upstanding, non judgememntal people, who would never follow a voice in their head and attribute it to a god that created them. I feel sorry for christians who follow a god, because a book tells them to. I feel sorry for christians who base their entire life on "hope" that they will live another place. I feel sorry for christians who pray to their god and cry to their god and give up their lives when they feel their god has abanddoned them. I feel sorry for people who are so narrow minded that they miss out on many of the good people in this world, overlooking them because they feel their god would not approve.
wendy

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Why are witnessess persecuted?

by YoYoMama in

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why are witnessess persecuted?

most religions out there have this thing against witnesses.

many will do anything to get them banned or to shut their mouths.

mommy

Yoyo,
I am curious as to why you chose that name, if you said before I missed it, would you mind sharing? As to your question, why are JW's persecutted? I had this discussion with my mom a couple months back, and she had to come to the conclusion that JW's aren't the only religion persecuted. I think even you can do a general search on the net and see that other religions feel they are as well.

I agree with alot of comments made by the other posters here though. Alot of the persecution is brought on by themselves(the JW's) They feel in order to meet up to the standards of the bible then they must have this brand as well. Many people handle telephone salesman very rudely, do you feel they are persecuted? There are many jokes out there condeming their activity, and even bans against them. But if you look at it, they are putting themselves into a situation to be irritating to others, so they are bringing it upon themselves.

As far as actual persecution there is very little of that going on here in the USA, and other advanced countries. In third world countries there is more, but again this is against all religions, not just JW's. The newspaper articles that mention the faith of the condemed, that is usually mentioned with any active memeber of a church. Most reporters will do a background check, including the church attended, so they can get a witness account or interview.

As far as you and Erich coming here and chatting, I have no problem with that. When I first started posting I had a problem with active JW's coming here, because I saw you as hypocrites. I know as a JW I would never have come here, let alone become an active memeber. I guess I took myself very seriously as a JW, and actually did what the governing body told me to do. But since leaving I guess it is my fault for following man so closely, and not listening to my heart. I am glad you can step out of the box and not allow them to control you 100%, that may add some "life" to you years Do not think others will not call you on this though. There are many here who gave 100% and then had so much taken from them, when they revealed themselves. If you continue to hide and come here, then I think you are safe. I wouldn't broadcast it though, you know how pesky the elders get when they are trying to keep their flock clean
wendy

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To: Ex-JW Women - Your Side

by Amazing in

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ex-jw women: i, and i assume other ex-jw men, would enjoy hearing your views, opinions, feelings, analysis, and conclusions about your jw experience.

how did you feel about your husband, fathers, brothers, elders, ms's, and other women in the organizations?

did you generally feel oppression, and why?

mommy

Path!
ROFLOL, man oh man what I would have given to be in that study. I can't believe that they even put that in print!

Single sisters, not having a human head to consult with and confide in, may be more apt to ‘throw their burdens upon Jehovah.’

Yes, it is so hard for single woomenz not to have someone to tell us what to do. But they go visit the sick and elderly, so I guess they are good for something. And they wonder why men in the org continue to see woman as the lesser vessel.

Welcome Hemp lover So we got your cherry...lol There is something about this topic that usually causes a burning desire for our voice to be heard. I was wondering why more woman haven't commented here. I have really enjoyed everyones comments so far.
wendy

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

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darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

mommy

Clash,
I will do this one last timeYou said:

The very fact that you are hostile to Christianity, in an irenic manor gives a good president that you will be very hostile toward your children, if called by God to be a christian.

Did you mean "ironic manner"? I am getting pretty good at brushing up on my phoenics skills with your postings Actually I am not hostile at all, and I would love for you to show me where I have been. I am trying to figure you out though. You answer maybe 10% of the questions given to you and it appears that you don't even read the responses. You still have not looked outside of your little box, and that is why I keep coming back I think. Again, I am not hostile, I am trying to show you that you have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know me, yet you can tell me that I will be hostile with my children if they choose christiantity, after I tell you that they can choose christiantity. Hmmm, what am I doing wrong here Clash, how can I make you hear me?

The events of September 11th, a very tragic day. About 1/2 hour after the second tower was hit, I was speaking to my children about the men who drove the plane into the building, and how it was sad they died too. See my daughter was mad at them, she didn't understand how someone could do such a horrible thing. I can't understand myself, but I do not call it evilness. I think those men really felt in their heart they were right, and they were willing to die for their beliefs. I shared this with my children, and she was unable to understand it, but my son did. He said "Mommy you are right, they have to really believe in something alot to die too." Are they evil for their willingness to die, to sacrifice themselves, in something they believed in 100%?

I even feel that every act of violence should be looked at individually, and there is a "reason" behind it. What I would define as evil is an act of violence with no purpose, or medical reasoning, and there are very few of those. I have actually been racking my brain to try to remember the last act I defined as evil, and I cannot.

Come on Clash, I want you to admit to me that you have it all wrong You are trying to lump together a group of people who do not believe as you do, and attach immortality to them. As I have said in every post to you, I do not blame you I once thought as you. And you know what, nobody tried to show me that I was wrong, they just told me I was wrong for my thinking. I finally came to the conclusion I was wrong, by watching and reading what those dreaded immoral atheist had to say.

Psssst, it is okay to think different than me. It is not okay to imagine the worst of me because I think different than you.

So how about it? Are we still going to lunch? Or do you think I may destroy any preconcieved ideas you may have? Would that be that bad though? Wow a whole paragraph of questions, I don't think that is grammatically correct, you may be rubbing off on me
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything ~ Richard Dawkins

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Questions for Those in an Alcoholic Relationship

by FreePeace in

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these questions are aimed at non-alcoholic ex-jw's who have survived or left an alcoholic relationship.. given that the bible says god hates a divorcing, to what extent did religious beliefs keep you in the alcoholic relationship?.

to what extent did peer pressure from the congregation keep you in the relationship?.

what made you decide to leave the alcoholic relationship when you did?.

mommy

You know you hear the stories of an alchoholic that has reached his bottom, and then decides he/she needs to quit drinking? I think it is the same as the person who lives with one. They reach a point when it is no longer bearable and they want out. I do know of many situations that a partner is comfortable with the other person being an alchoholic, and actually stay in the relationship for years with no problems.

I was with a man for 3 years and married to him for less then 6 months, when I reached my bottom, and got out. I know if I never had my daughter, then I would probably still be in that relationship.

Alot of lonely nights when they are passed out. Alot of misunderstandings because you are dealing with a person who's mind is altered. Alot of "I am sorry." Alot of making up. Alot of times you miss out on other things because beer is bought first. Alot of nights taking care of your partner instead of being partners.

I can honestly say towards the end of our relationship, I was going to Al-Anon. And he was in AA, we also were in counseling. He made alot of efforts to quit drinking and smoking pot, and we came to a point in therapy that the therapist wanted his mom to come in and discuss some issues with us. I feel this was the downfall. She denied he was an alcoholic, and said he had no problems, and wished that we would just leave him alone. Of course he took this and ran with it, becasue he wanted to hear it. And he went back to drinking and smoking again, and his abusive behavior. We were so close, but he was not and is not ready, he is drinking to this day.

I agree with Farkel, and it is something that Al-Anon taught me. I had only 2 choices, live with it, enabling him, or get out and save my sanity. I chose my sanity, and safety. It was not the easy way, trust me, we had already split up and got together again numerous times. But when I decided enough was enough it was final.

I think the biggest thing to help a person who is living with an alchoholic is to, make a list of things that are missing in their lives, or things that are altered due to living with this disease. Honestly going over every aspect of your life is hard to do, but worth it to see it on paper.

I will be interested to read your paper when you are finished with it. I may have some more to add, but will email you later with it.
wendy

When I leave, you will know I have been here