i have noticed alot friends here lately posing the question of things being good and bad etc.
so here is my question.
is there such a thing as absolute good, absolute evil, absolute anything?.
good & bad.........free & slave......life & death......sweet & sauer.......rough & smooth.......black & white.....
opposites......yes ...but each lives within it's own sphere....each is an absolute within that sphere.....If god was anything but an absolute we couldn't trust HIM.....HE wouldn't be unchangeable....And that's the long & the short of it!!!
Quantum The Great
this is my first 4th of july as a non jw.
so my question is what about patriotism?.
as much as i believe that most of what the jw believes is in error.
larc:
just trying to wake up all you livin' in the past junkies. There's a time and a place it seems for everything. It was time for the people of the late 17 hundreds to break free from Britain. It's time for you to move on larc. You enjoy living in dark places. Snap out of it.
QUANTUM THE GREAT!!!!!
i'm grateful for the friends i've made here and hope to continue relationships with them however this board has reached the 'more harmful than good' stage for me as well so i'm going to have to move on.
i've recently began re-question my decision to leave the jw's and have been wondering if we arent all really screwed up as is believed to be the case by jw's.
i need to go back and re-read all the exjw literature to prove to myself all over again that we are normal and ok and victims of a fraudulent cult.
getting out of a mind controlling org. doesn't release one from the damage that HAS been done. I have noticed an abundance of hate and the same kind of narrowmindedness which the JW's taught you in the first place. Many exJW's think they have got their lives under control now or are no worse off then the rest of humanity. That's where they are dead wrong. And they won't truly be free until they recognize that. Their inter being has been scared and those scars just don't go away.....seek professional help!
QUANTUM
i feel like i'm watching a movie.
reading these posts seems to transform reality into a time and a land which exists partly in a haze of real and where am i now.
once you had a grip and understanding of who you were.
Is there such a thing as criminally religious? One could start a church which felt that all other churches were criminal and take their arguments to the supreme court where a corrupt judiciary could find all churches criminal. all there leaders would be confined and made to pay huge fines. since there would not be enough jail space for all of the adherents, many would have to be executed. This would leave many ex JW's basically in charge of things because they could no longer be accused of being religious. Which would also put them in a good position to move into any of those vacant mansions no longer inhabited by the "GOD" people. So you see you'll get your big house after all ...but of course it will be in this life!
QUANTUM
this is my first 4th of july as a non jw.
so my question is what about patriotism?.
as much as i believe that most of what the jw believes is in error.
Well I'm about to get in trouble again.
The posts which I have made have generally instigated great rath against me. But here it goes again.
Whether you "REALLY" realize it or not, the affiliation you had with a mind controling, dogmatic, vitriolic and contemptuous church against the "ENTIRE" world, not too mention against many of their own, continues to "HIGHLY" influence many of you eventhough you think you've broken free. Many exhibit the same kind of narrow thinking and attitudes you tried to break from. Many of you should seek out organizations which can deprogram you. Mind control is nothing to fool with. It can and often does stay with you for ever.
What ever happened to the attitude of "moderation in all things".
Is everything totally evil because there is evil in the world. NO!
Does saluting the flag of a country you affiliate with as a citizen an evil thing. You have things in common with the other citizens and neighbors and freinds and family; a common heritage. DON'T you know it was GOD who separated us into nations. We worship GOD not the nation...Where does it say except in the JW's religion that you can't honor people who do great things, paint inspiring pictures produce wonderful music which makes you happy, people who saved others from tyrrany and slavery. There is always good and bad. Do we throw out all the good because of the bad.What if all of the churches in the world were exactly like the JW's....with their hard line on every issue. Where every other church felt that the other churches and their followers were of the devil and their prayers never reach GOD because HE doesn't recognize them......There would be so much hate in this world that we would have nuked each other years ago....Lighten up! If you just treat everyone how you want to be treated you will never have a problem. I too am working on this and am a long way off. But the road is clearly marked if one opens their eyes.
I also need to work on patience!
QUANTUM
i feel like i'm watching a movie.
reading these posts seems to transform reality into a time and a land which exists partly in a haze of real and where am i now.
once you had a grip and understanding of who you were.
Don't be that way now......you people are kind of spooky
Q
i feel like i'm watching a movie.
reading these posts seems to transform reality into a time and a land which exists partly in a haze of real and where am i now.
once you had a grip and understanding of who you were.
OK,
You were all part of this big expirment. The results have just arrived from headquarters. Do you want to know the results? come on...I have to here if anyone is interested............
QUANTUM
i feel like i'm watching a movie.
reading these posts seems to transform reality into a time and a land which exists partly in a haze of real and where am i now.
once you had a grip and understanding of who you were.
Unfortunately our language has a limited number of words which we all commonly use and understand. These words start to sound like trumpets in our ears as we try and express ourselves in religious and caring tones.
Certainly anyone reading these posts can detect an acute synicism from some [not all] and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where that came from. Since I have freinds who have made themselves SLAVES to this unusual ideology, which I along with many of you, found detestable and without real commpassion as taught in the bible, I feel as one you beleives in the GOD of heaven and HIS miracles of love [another one of those common words] even those who have been so badly defiled can find the real GOD through his own efforts. Some of you are still raw from the scourging. And some may remain bitter the rest of their lives. Some will turn to other gods, as a way to escape and resist all attempts of caring persons to direct them to the ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD.
If this sounds trite to some of you skip the parts you don't like, but don't turn your back on truth. The WTC claimed this truth only for themselves....the ultimate lie....That is the revelation of a true cult. The Watch Tower Magazine, when read with an open mind, continually condemns it's own religion. One of the articles I recall is where they are defending themselves against acusations that they are a cult. They use defenses like " were not a cult because we read the bible, because people who have thought the worst of us have found that we're nice smiling people, that we hold are meetings in public buldings"....and on and on adnauseam. It was strange to me that an argument such as this would even be made. It's like someone calling someone else stupid. " I'm not stupid cause my mom says I'm not"; i'm not stupid cause I was told by a man I met once that said I knew what I was talking about."
There are approx. 6 billion people in this world. Does it seem reasonable that we can all claim to have our own religion? Do athiests have any defence for there beleif in nothing? It's a cop out for lack of any kind of faith. Is there a test for understanding and believing what an athiest believes? NOT HARDLY! But there is one that the scriptures and Christ proposed. If you don't know what they are then look them up.
(James1:5&6)
5 a If any of you lack b wisdom, let him ask of God, that c giveth to all men liberally, and d upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him a ask in b faith, nothing c wavering . For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
(John 7:16-18)
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My a doctrine is not mine, but his that b sent me.
17 If any man will a do his b will, he shall c know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own a glory : but he that seeketh his b glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
Where in all the religions in all the world make promises like these?
Some of you make declarations that GOD is some how evil for what appears to you things descibed in the Bible as evil and hateful. These tests are for people like you. How can anyone understand the ways of GOD without knowing GOD. No one in the neighborhood likes Johnny who lives down the street. His parents love him because they know him and understand him. If you don't know someone you cannot make judgements about them which are valid. We also want to place are standards in a culture we have absolutely know real understanding of. If as a slave you were beaten everyday of you life, would a slap on the wrist carry any weight. Would a people which were as hard as nails who survived under such tyrrany and harshness have anything in common with us. Can we give GOD any credit for knowing anything greater then we do?
Many of you have sought for GOD and some have a good relationship with him. Others have been mislead and used by THE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING. Man has proven himself throughout time to be very resilent. There are ups and downs and always will be. This life makes it possible for most to test many waters. My purpose, although imperfectly stated, is to help you search for the one true GOD where HE himself says HE can be found...Through, "down on your bloody knees" and absolute humility. Then and only then is he available. Words of the Bible only point the way. They cannot make a relationship...this is not a pen pal thing. GOD is a toughing , feeling being of absolute pure love. You can only get that through the gift and promise of the HOLY GHOST. And hopfully one day we may be in HIS presents on our own accord.
I believe that all faiths and all religions have truth....some more than others. I believe because GOD loves all of HIS children HE gives to them as much as they are able to receive. And by a process of continually revealing to man more and more of HIS truth HE teaches us about HIMSELF. If this were the only school yard and the only time where this could happen then it would be a empty pretense because there just isn't enough time here to learn it all, not to mention those who die without ever knowing anything.
I am not going into any actual doctine. Being dogmatic is not my intention. I know the real truth can be learned. To find it we have to do it the way GOD intended us to find it. Humility, prayer and sincerity. Once you find it you can help others to find it. But not through dogmatism but through GOD HIMSELF. If HE is real HE will reveal HIMSELF unto all who seek HIM. If HE has authorized representatives here on earth HE will also REVEAL that as well.
QUANTUM
i feel like i'm watching a movie.
reading these posts seems to transform reality into a time and a land which exists partly in a haze of real and where am i now.
once you had a grip and understanding of who you were.
If a holier than thou attitude is coming across these boards I apologize. It is my perception, however, that every ex JW who is here is trying to find some kind of support and reassurance; a commradery of like mindedness. The battle worn and weary huddling together but still in shock over the ravages they have experienced.
If I come in as an outsider, not one who has gone through the war with you, my comments are spurned and ridiculed. I make no judgement but am sympathetic to your cause. But where I have seen the tempest of your hearts I feel that a softening can help. Where bitterness resides a greater understanding could dwell. And where loss has come the true knowledge of the SAVIOR can be found.
If these are to be scorned and rebuked now then I hope one day the contempt you feel will some day pass and the true love which THE LORD JESUS CHRIST TAUGHT AND LIVED WILL ENTER YOUR LIVES AND FORGIVENESS WILL ABOUND WHERE ONLY HATE DWELLS. REMEMBER THAT ALL GOOD COMES FROM GOD AND ALL EVIL FROM THE DEVIL. We are all his victims and all fall into his traps. Never think that THOSE who perpetrate satans lies are not themselves being deceived. Their is forgiveness for them as well.
QUANTUM
i feel like i'm watching a movie.
reading these posts seems to transform reality into a time and a land which exists partly in a haze of real and where am i now.
once you had a grip and understanding of who you were.
LDH
You're a woman after my own heart. I don't blame you for feeling the way you do. When someone steels our faith and innocence it is beyond reprehensible. It is sabatage of trust. That begins and ends with one fallen being. The great deceiver is not interested in your pain or happiness except to make you as miserable as he is.
All of us have a certain amount of light in our souls. The whole idea is to get as much as we can. Never stop striving to grasp all the truth GOD wants to give us. He is the source of all truth. He is the transmitter and we the receiver. If we as receivers are tuned in properly we will receive greater truth and light. If we say we have enough than we stop the flow of that light to us and the deceiver can overwhelm us. The light of truth is continuous and permeates all things. We have to always tune are receivers into that transmitter for the gift and blessing of HIS true messenger THE HOLY GHOST who continuely testifies of HIM and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. Once we have the testimony which comes from this messanger we can gain more truth and understand who we are and why we are. The mystery of GOD can only come from direct communication from him which is a gift of true revelation for you alone. It won't be neccessry to try and convince others because it will be the gift which comes to you alone. You will know and nothing can every take that away. Did the JW's ever tell you that the knowledge and truth of GOD comes from anywhere else but them and their commentary on the Bible? NO! WHERE DID EVERY PROPHET AND EVERY RIGHTEOUS PERSON GET THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IN THE BIBLE.......IT CAME DIECTLY FROM HIM BY REVELATION....ANGELS, AND/OR THE HOLY SPIRIT. WHY HAVE WE BEEN TOLD BY SOME THAT HAS ALL CHANGED...WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL US IT ALL CHANGED????
QUANTUM
