The image would have foot fungus if it was wearing sneakers. Everybody wore sandals when this statue was imagined. Sandals would have kept the feet dry and kept foot fungus at bay. Maybe the Babylonians also cleaned their bath house floors with chlorine.
Acluetofindtheuser
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So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?
by stillin9 inyou know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.
it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.
and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.
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So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?
by stillin9 inyou know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.
it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.
and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.
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Acluetofindtheuser
Thanks for the reply Wonder Woman,... I mean talesin.
The US is still in bed with the UK. Every television station, every newspaper, every media device in the US was glued to the royal wedding. Now politically in bed I'm not sure. I feel the US and the UK have the same mindset on doing things globally. In the past the sun never set on the British empire. Now the sun never sets on the Empire State.
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So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?
by stillin9 inyou know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.
it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.
and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.
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Relating to new light or new ideas, some common concept of the new world is mentioned by various publishers to me. Over a time span of about five years three different JWs mentioned to me their theory about a future water canopy. None of them were really big speculators but it was funny they were compelled to bring it up. Two instances were in service and one was at a book study.
In all cases I told them I believed them because it was my feeling for a number of years as well. The interesting exchange at book study was in front of the conducting elder and he gave us a funny look as if he disapproved of the speculation. Then the other brother who started the conversation returned fire at his look and said "and it was good, that's what God said in Genesis". The conversation stopped at that.
Anyway, if the the general consensus is the return of the water canopy then why doesn't the FDS publish that thought? I think they need interview all JWs and find out what speculation is running in their minds. Maybe they could publish the common theme mentioned by most of them.
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So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?
by stillin9 inyou know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.
it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.
and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.
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BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS-Thanks for mentioning that. I did not know that is how they felt now. Maybe they are basing this on the first century apostles who were acting as the governing body in that time. In the bible they didn't mention input from others. The governing body is not isolated in a vacuum so others have to influence them in some way or another. They may be the head of the organization but God speaks through the heart. Their new light is limited now because they are not listening to the heart. In time God will set matters straight. It will be interesting to see how things play out. There is a negative prophecy about the slave in the end times. This is probably to put them back on track when the time comes.
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So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?
by stillin9 inyou know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.
it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.
and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.
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This new light was meant to attract inactive ones to the convention. After hearing the new detail about the toes I thought it was anti-climatic. Maybe the future watchtower article will have more juicy details.
The new light that comes to the watchtower should not just come from the governing body members. The anointed remnant are supposed to contribute to any new understandings. The governing body are supposed to read the letters from the anointed remnant and determine if their material is worthy of publication in a watchtower or new book. I'm note sure how the organization filters out letters coming into the branch offices. They probably get a lot of hate mail and apostate propaganda. They must have list of addresses from those that claim to be anointed outside of bethel.
A number of years ago I found out one brother was anointed. He wasn't a MS or an elder. The one thing I found out was that he continually wrote letters to the society. He didn't disclose what their reply letters were like or if they did any in the first place. This brother sure had some interesting theories to mention. He probably told the society about them in his letters. One of the ideas was about Pangaea which I thought was strange because that didn't have any bearing on biblical matters. Besides, at the time, I thought the Pangaea model was stupid. That was until recently when a new concept about it was mentioned on the web.
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GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"
by freetosee ini find it interesting that samuel herd (as co) promoted the book angels and women in his talk "fear of giants".
he called it a fascinating book, once you pick it up you cant put it down without reading it from cover to cover!
he also mentions that russell wrote the foreword of the book and that it can be found in the gilead library.. .
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What! No comments from anyone?
After reading AW and Seola I finally came to the conclusion that God brought about the Deluge to reduce human life spans. The WT says our life span were mainly reduced because we are so far removed from perfection. I disagree. God went way out of his way to just kill a few million wicked people. Besides, God never tells when he plans to bring upon a judgment day. Why would God need to tell Noah that he has 120 years before he floods the planet? It makes no sense for God to give that detail so far in advance.
Also, AW and Seola opened my eyes to the concept of the serpent having limbs before the curse in Eden. Do you all remember the Questions from readers about that thought?
From Seola page 54.
“But curious admiration was checked when I discovered upon every package a uniform mark, in shape like a winged serpent. I looked at the bearers of the treasures ; upon the breast of the tunics which they wore, and upon the band which crossed their foreheads, was the same emblem. I knew the deadly meaning of the seal. It was the seraphic form in which the Tempter appeared to our mother Eve, and I fled to my own apartment in great alarm.”
From Angels and Women page 65.
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But curious admiration was checked when I discovered upon every package a uniform mark, in shape like a winged serpent. I looked at the bearers of the treasures. Upon the breast of the tunics which they wore, and upon the band which crossed their foreheads, was the same emblem. I knew the deadly meaning of the seal. It was the form in which the Tempter appeared to our mother Eve, and I fled to my own apartment in great alarm.”
Watchtower June 1, 1964
Questions from Readers:
Did the serpent lose legs or feet as means of movement as a result of the divine curse recorded at Genesis 3:14?
At Genesis 3:14 we are told: “And Jehovah God proceeded to say to the serpent: ‘Because you have done this thing, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild beasts of the field. Upon your belly you will go and dust is what you will eat all the days of your life.’” This is the only place in the bible where any indication is given that the serpent did not at one time travel on its belly.
What is said here is, of course, directed principally to the invisible spirit creature who used the literal serpent as his mouthpiece. It foretells his debasement. But for the symbolic application of this judgment upon the wicked spirit creature who became Satan to have any force there must be a fulfillment of it in the literal serpent, which has come to symbolize Satan. It, therefore, is reasonable to conclude that before God cursed it the serpent possessed legs that elevated it above the ground. As he had the power to create the serpent in the first place, God had the power to transform its body so that it ceased to have legs and was able to move about on its belly.
Sadly the society made a retraction when the question was asked recently.
Watchtower June 15, 2007
Questions from Readers:
Did the serpent that spoke to Eve have legs?
The bible does not specifically state that the animal used in tempting Eve had previously had legs but lost them. While the wording of Genesis 3:14 might lead some to think so, we need not necessarily conclude that prior to this curse, serpents had legs. Why not?
(The article continues with the symbolic application.)
Did you know? The Python and Boa are of a family of snakes that have lizard talons near its reproductive organs, yes the crotch area. These talons are tied to muscles and bones which the snake has the power to move.
So the 1964 faithful and discrete slave member was right and the 2007 F&DS member was wrong. What say you?
Seola text
http://www.archive.org/stream/seolaxxx00smitiala/seolaxxx00smitiala_djvu.txtBurmese python with X-ray of vestigial legs
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Angels and Women reccomended by Sam Herd. (VIDEO)
by Wasanelder Once injust put up a new video using the soundbite of sam herd expounding on the quality of the book angels and women.
i think it turned out fairly well.
feedback appreciated.. .
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Thanks for posting the video Wasanelderonce. I wasn't sure of the current standing of the governing body on Angels and Women. Looks like they still like it. I'm going to proudly display my AW and Smith collection on my book shelf, next to the other JW books I have.
The ugly face at the end of the video is stupid by the way.
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GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"
by freetosee ini find it interesting that samuel herd (as co) promoted the book angels and women in his talk "fear of giants".
he called it a fascinating book, once you pick it up you cant put it down without reading it from cover to cover!
he also mentions that russell wrote the foreword of the book and that it can be found in the gilead library.. .
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Acluetofindtheuser
In 1878 a book review publication called “Good Company - Sunday Afternoon: A magazine for the household” reviewed the novel Seola. The journal had their own opinion on the music that supposedly motivated Ann Smith to write Seola. They wrote:
“A FANTASY revealed to the writer while listening to the performance of an extraordinary musical composition”-such, according to the author’s own account, is “Seola.” We are ready to believe that the performance which could have inspired such a production was extraordinary. The prelude to the “Creation,” one of Strauss’s waltzes, a scrap of a symphony of Saint Saens, and Wagner’s Centennial March, all played simultaneously in a small room, might have given birth to this “fantasy.”
I would believe a reviewer closer to the publishing date of 1878 over an unknown source that came from who knows where. I don’t know if the Smith family was rich enough to own three phonograph units to play all three compositions at the same time. Mr. and Mrs. Smith traveled the world so they probably could.
Anyway, It’s not important what song it was. The author was trying to convey that music was the motivating factor to write the novel. Music invokes emotion in all humans. Smith had read loads of literature from around the world that dealt with ancient history, before she wrote the book. Since she professed to be a Christian, in her other published works, she used the biblical narrative as the core of the story.
http://books.google.com/books?id=VXhMAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA574&dq=Seola#v=onepage&q=Seola&f=false
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GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"
by freetosee ini find it interesting that samuel herd (as co) promoted the book angels and women in his talk "fear of giants".
he called it a fascinating book, once you pick it up you cant put it down without reading it from cover to cover!
he also mentions that russell wrote the foreword of the book and that it can be found in the gilead library.. .
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Acluetofindtheuser
Sorry to intrude truthseeker,
Did that information come from the "Bible Students Forum"? I saw that blog a year ago. I tried to "google" for it again but now "Bible Students Forum" makes you sign up to view it.
Here's some things to note. Agatha Christie wasn't born until 1890 so I'm betting that bit of info is false.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie
Now the discovery date of 1869 aligns better with Seola's 1878 publishing. It seems like the Angels and Women & Seola novel sparked the imagination of those that were taking the Oriental Archaeological Research Expedition in 1950 on Mt. Ararat. Some details of this is stated in Rene Noorbergen's book, Secret of the Lost Races (1977). The name Amoela sounds like a blended name of Seola and Aloma to me.
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GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"
by freetosee ini find it interesting that samuel herd (as co) promoted the book angels and women in his talk "fear of giants".
he called it a fascinating book, once you pick it up you cant put it down without reading it from cover to cover!
he also mentions that russell wrote the foreword of the book and that it can be found in the gilead library.. .
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I just signed on as a member because I was impressed with the info supplied by the above posters. I enjoyed hearing Samuel Herd's talk. Very few witnesses mention Angels and Women. I only knew of four JW's that knew about the book before me. One of those four introduced me to it. The day was energizing when my friend handed me photo scans of AW in the mid 90's.
Charles Taze Russell and Ann Eliza Smith were both traveling in uncharted territory with their published works. Just read a copy of The Photo Drama of Creation and you'll see what I mean. If you didn't know already the PDC is referenced in the appendix section of Angels and Women.
I would have to say that the information that was being pushed out during the early days of the Bible Students was more wild and adventurous than the new stuff being published today. The society is more reserved these days and doesn't want to go down the path of speculation. Russell had nothing to fear back then.
I agree, Seola was a superior work compared to Angels and Women. Smith was just a better writer than the reviser of AW. I would have to say it was more poetic. If you enjoyed AW and Seola you should enjoy the rest of Smith's works. Here's a list of them:
From Dawn to Sunrise
Selma
Atla
Notes of Travel in Mexico and California
In Notes of Travels she said she visited Salt Lake city. After reading that section I found out she really disliked Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, the founders of the Mormon church. The act of polygamy in that era revolted her.