Posts by Acluetofindtheuser

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The Society recommended a book written by a demon-inspired woman

by The Quiet One in

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/review.html.

Acluetofindtheuser

Comparing the foreword of “Angels and Women (1924)” to the Appendix of “Seola (1878)”, mainly the sections invoking this conspiracy.

Angels and Women – foreword

“The reviser of this book is of the opinion that the original manuscript was dictated to the woman who wrote it by one of the fallen angels who desired to return to divine favor.”

Seola – appendix

“Seola is a fantasy, revealed to the writer while listening to the performance of an extraordinary musical composition. It was sudden and unforeseen as the landscape which sometimes appears to a benighted traveler, for one instant only, illumined by the lightning’s flash.

It does not therefore pretend to be either history or theology, but yet the theory upon which the story is founded is in strict accordance with the sacred writings of the Hebrews and traditions of other ancient nations. It may be briefly stated.

In the early ages of the world angelic beings became incarnate, assumed the likeness of men, left the service of God, visited the earth, mingled in its affairs, formed the most intimate connection with women and became the fathers of a progeny physically magnificent and spiritually corrupt. These powerful and depraved beings subverted the government of the earth and filled it with intolerable crimes. The Almighty put an end to this unnatural condition by sending a great deluge to destroy the kingdom of the Devas with their giant offspring and by imprisoning them in chains and darkness the angels who had been guilty of the offence, though certain evil spirits are still permitted to roam the earth.

This theory, set forth in a work entitled “From Dawn to Sunrise,” having been the subject of much comment, it may be proper to recapitulate the evidence of its truth in this place.”

The reviser of Angels and Women was in error about it being an automatic writing. The appendix section of Seola clearly states that this was the work of the imagination, with a great deal of research as its source. Maybe if they left out the foreword section of Angels and Women there wouldn’t be this kind of accusation. The society today should just apologize about the foreword and mention it again in the Awake! Magazine and see what the publishers think. That would be a doozy. In my opinion the story is great but it’s not for everyone.

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The Society recommended a book written by a demon-inspired woman

by The Quiet One in

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/review.html.

Acluetofindtheuser

"Among some brethren it was a favorite and among others taboo."

Lets's say most toboo and a very few it's a favorite. That's what I find today.

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The Society recommended a book written by a demon-inspired woman

by The Quiet One in

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/review.html.

Acluetofindtheuser

Thanks for searching out that old thread by LivingtheDream. It was funny to learn about his discovery of the book Angels and Women at the bethel library. With him being so interested in Greek and Roman mythology I can understand why he was so excited about the novel, even to the point of shaking.

That elder’s reaction to the book is typical. Most elders I know consider speculation beyond the WT pages to be Hearsay. Only the higher ups can openly say they read such things, such as Samuel Herd. I’ve mentioned a few speculative aspects from the book to different elders and they all look at me with contempt. I’ve only mentioned the concepts, I never mentioned the source. It’s kind of sad, JW’s aren’t allowed to ponder or speculate. I’ve learned over the years not to mention that book unless someone brings it up first.

I hate to ruin the conspiracy about the original author but she is no spirit medium. Rutherford or whoever wrote the forward made a false assumption about the source of her inspiration. She may have been compelled to write it after listening to music but she never mentions in her appendix/notes section that Hesperus made her do it. Maybe George Lucas was inspired by a demon to create the Starwars saga. I mean it has holy spirit force, along with good and bad guys with supernatural powers. Starwars could have come from Satan because it's so successful. Look how many years they've stretched the story. I mean there's three more due to come out.

JG Smith, aka Ann Eliza Smith, was well versed in the scriptures. The St. Albans, Vermont, historical society has records stating a period where she taught Sunday school. Her main hobby was researching ancient traditions and myths of other cultures, just like LivingtheDream did with Greek and Roman mythology. She didn’t limit her ancient history reading to that of the bible. If you read her first written work you’ll find that the information in Seola is just from her imagination. Her first work is called, From Dawn to Sunrise – A review, historical and philosophical of the religious ideas of mankind.

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AGM HIGHLITES

by JW GoneBad in

1 1/2 hour into the agm and my impression so far .......dullsville........a dud!.

right now bro herd is interviewing old timers who remember back in the 50's 1st releases of nwt of the bible..

Acluetofindtheuser

Did they say why they needed a new version? They had to have explained a few comparisons between the two.

I guess we're going to have to re-read both of them together to find out the differences.

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Special Meeting?

by Bob_NC in

jw
friends

what "special meeting" is going on this weekend?

or it may be several weekends?

not the annual meeting that everyone is pumped up about, but a "special meeting" that i heard an elder say he is attending this weekend.

Acluetofindtheuser

The elders are going down to the assembly halls to be prepared for the massive attendance during the annual meeting. That's all I was told about this special meeting this weekend. There's probably more he's not telling me. I also heard that some kingdom halls will be getting streaming video of the annual meeting next Saturday.

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Rumor: April 3, 2015 start of Great Tribulation?

by Londo111 in

on another forum, somebody mentioned that there is a growing belief with those high up in watchtower hierarchy that the great tribulation will begin april 3, 2015. evidently, one has to check the skycharts for that date and compare with 33 ceand also compare with the history of jws for past 40, 80, 120 years.

dont ask me to verify the rumor...these things come and go.

im sure lots of people in hq believe all sorts of things.. .

Acluetofindtheuser

Since everyone's throwing around prediction dates, I'll join in with clarity and Crazyguy.

Everything happens in October. I cast my vote for the 19th.

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The true meaning of "Jehovah" and the "overlapping generation" REVEALED!

by slimboyfat in

there has been some renewed interest in the meaning of the name jehovah on the forum in recent weeks.

combined with the ongoing discussion about the new "overlapping generation" teaching, speculation among the friends and among the ex-friends has been reaching something of a frenzy.

so it's perhaps appropriate that a little more should be revealed now about the meaning behind some of the perplexing events that have been taking place.

Acluetofindtheuser

That's a long tunnel.

Do they figure there's going to be some sort of future fallout above ground or is it just a way to shuttle VIP's to and from Washington?

A long time ago I heard about Dwight Eisenhower being sworn in on the NWT. I thought that was strange. A president converted to a JW. Maybe you're right on all these things. What do we need to do to blow their cover and get media attention?

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The true meaning of "Jehovah" and the "overlapping generation" REVEALED!

by slimboyfat in

there has been some renewed interest in the meaning of the name jehovah on the forum in recent weeks.

combined with the ongoing discussion about the new "overlapping generation" teaching, speculation among the friends and among the ex-friends has been reaching something of a frenzy.

so it's perhaps appropriate that a little more should be revealed now about the meaning behind some of the perplexing events that have been taking place.

Acluetofindtheuser

That's an interesting conspiracy. The tunnel to Washington convinced me it was all a farce.

If they join the UN again will they be forced to wander another 40 years up to the year 2074?

Isaac Newton's end of world date happens to be 2060. To be honest, I think something interesting will happen in the fall of next year.

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Did Stephen believe he would have to wait 2000 years for a resurrection?

by Socrateswannabe in

in acts 7:59, the jews were casting stones at stephen and his last words were, "lord jesus, receive my spirit.".

the wts has contended that all of the ancients who died after jesus were in a sleep-like condition, awaiting a resurrection that eventually happened in 1918-1919 (depending upon which wt reference you are looking at).

and in fact, v. 60 says stephen "fell asleep in death".

Acluetofindtheuser

I think Stephen believed his spirit would leave him when he died. Jesus also said the same thing when he was about to die. Some scriptures imply that spirit animates the body and when you die that spirit leaves you and goes back to God from where it came. It appears to be the breath of life. When you stop breathing you will die in minutes unless you are resuscitated. The two were yielding up their life giving air which belongs to God.

These are the scriptures that come to mind:

Job 27:3 "The spirit of God is in my nostrils."

Psalms 104:29 "If you take away their spirit, they expire and back to dust they go."

Psalms 146:4 "His spirit goes out he goes back to his ground, in that day his thoughts perish."

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit itself returns to the true God who gave it."

Luke 8:55 "And her spirit returned and she rose instantly."

Just exchange the word spirit with oxygen or the ability to breath.

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So, Was It Just "Luck" Or Did "Jehovah" Intervene At Times For You?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know witnesses believe that miracles were done away with other "gifts" after the apostles died but every so often they suggest god produced a miracle.. did you believe that jehovah god saved you out of a bad situation?

did you accept that god's angel help you out?.

Acluetofindtheuser

I could probably count 3 times in my life but only after I started thinking for myself. I thought it strange that a two congregation memorial observance could be thwarted by a forgetful school janitor, without any divine intervention.

For me, one instance was a million to 1 shot. The second and the third could have been an amazing coincidence.