Posts by Acluetofindtheuser

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WT / JW Doctrine ,Satan cast out of Heaven in 1914 ? He has always had access to the earth ? Since Eve .

by smiddy3 in

this doctrine / belief that jehovah`s witnesses have , surely raises a few questions that they do not address.. 1.this spirit being challenged god by questioning his authority and offering eve an alternative making himself satan.. and this took place on earth ,the garden of eden.

so he who became satan had access to the earth.. 2. all throughout the old testament , the hebrew scriptures do we find examples of satan interfering with gods plan of things either by himself or his followers .. 3.their are just too many examples to list individually ,however a few key ones would be , the nephilim , job when god in heaven asks him where he has been , and his reply , from roving about on the earth .

, etc.etc.. 4.and of course in the new testament , where jesus is taken up into a mountain to be tempted by satan for fourty days ?.

Acluetofindtheuser

Your entire post earlier was very interesting Doug Mason. Here's a portion that caught my eye, in which I am starting to believe.

As immortal beings, they were asexual; in the Garden story God does not tell them to "be fertile and increase" as they were told in the first creation story (Gen. 1:28). Sexuality is discovered only after eating from the tree, when "they perceived that they were naked" (3:7).

Let's take this a bit further.

The Lord's day arrives. Everyone whom God chooses is changed in a twinkle of an eye. Per Jesus, these special people have no sex drive. They are deemed immortal and they live on the new earth with the new heavens above. One thousand years go by and then an evil influence is allowed to tempt these special immortal people. A number of them pass this test and a number do not. The ones that do not pass are removed somehow. The ones that pass are allowed to eat of the tree of life. After eating of that tree they are given a sexual drive for procreation, thereby merging immortality with sexuality.

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Have you ever gotten a straight answer? If yes, what was it?

by Tenacious in

the light continues to get brighter, yada, yada, yada.. but, the bottom line is the watchtower claims everything comes from jehovah.

books, magazines, videos, assemblies, to jw broadcast, to gb appointments, to dramas, even the music and sophia and caleb.

heck, they would claim jehovah provides the toilet paper if they could.

Acluetofindtheuser

It's been fixed by God already.

Everything from the platform is no longer claimed to be from God. Almost every meeting you will hear the Governing Body being mentioned in the prayers as the source of the spiritual food. Just recently the holy spirit was removed from the baptismal questions. The Organization is run by imperfect men and that's all there's to it.They even admit there is no supernatural involvement. The closest they can get to God is by reading the bible.

The Organization has received no new revelations regarding the execution of the end times. Isaiah 42:9 says, "See, the first things have come to pass; Now I am declaring new things. Before they spring up, I tell you about them." If any out there have a true prophetic message to give to the GB then by all means do so.

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Michael the Archangel and Jesus same person? Start of Blondie researching

by blondie in

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i was reading something else on jwn and remembered why i started questioning wts definite statements of fact.. i was asked by a non-jw to prove these 2 points from the scripture:.

1. when did the 2,300 days in daniel 8:13,14 start?

this scripture therefore suggests that jesus himself is the archangel michael.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005160?q=jesus+michael+archangel&p=sen.

Acluetofindtheuser

Jesus is described in Revelation 19:12-13 as riding on a white horse with the armies of the heavens following him on white horses as well. We know this is Jesus because it says he is called by the name The Word of God. The gospel of John describes Jesus as the Word of God. It's Strange the same verse says he has a name written that no one knows but he himself. This proves that Jesus is not Michael the archangel. We know that other angel's name.

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Michael the Archangel and Jesus same person? Start of Blondie researching

by blondie in

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i was reading something else on jwn and remembered why i started questioning wts definite statements of fact.. i was asked by a non-jw to prove these 2 points from the scripture:.

1. when did the 2,300 days in daniel 8:13,14 start?

this scripture therefore suggests that jesus himself is the archangel michael.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005160?q=jesus+michael+archangel&p=sen.

Acluetofindtheuser

The problem is they have to have an answer for everything. Why can't they just say, we don't know?

For some reason every important mystery character in the Bible is associated with Jesus with the WT.

Michael and Abaddon (angel of the abyss) = Jesus

Why can't other angels have important roles too?

I knew of a witness that said he had a problem with the Michael is Jesus teaching but he was ok with that. He believed in the faith so much that if the organization was called Yahweh's Witnesses he'd still follow it.

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jwfacts.com Have you looked at it?

by blondie in

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i use this extensively rather than re-inventing the wheel.. paul grundy, the admin, keeps it up-to-date and welcomes any corrections or new information, especially in a well-written article, supported by wt publication quotes.. the 2 places i check first is www.jwfacts.com and then searching on jwn with key word(s) to see if the topic has been already extensively researched or commented on.. don't be frightened away by the material being more than 3 paragraphs.

the quotes from wt publications is are extensive and from publications that are older and less available.

i find it good to read many posts on a single topic and expand my knowledge and sources.. blondie.

Acluetofindtheuser

Does anyone know anyone DFed for “extorting” a high bride price!? Or other unusual rule.

I knew of one case where a sister embezzled a bunch of money from her employer. I didn't really know her. She was at a public place with worldly people and witnesses and a friend of mine told me no JW could talk to her because of that recent crime.

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jwfacts.com Have you looked at it?

by blondie in

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friends

i use this extensively rather than re-inventing the wheel.. paul grundy, the admin, keeps it up-to-date and welcomes any corrections or new information, especially in a well-written article, supported by wt publication quotes.. the 2 places i check first is www.jwfacts.com and then searching on jwn with key word(s) to see if the topic has been already extensively researched or commented on.. don't be frightened away by the material being more than 3 paragraphs.

the quotes from wt publications is are extensive and from publications that are older and less available.

i find it good to read many posts on a single topic and expand my knowledge and sources.. blondie.

Acluetofindtheuser

Recently I had an issue with the WT understanding of the Stake/Cross physical characteristics. I found a number of bible verses that contradicted the WT view. After looking at jwfacts on the topic of the cross I can see the Org is wrong about that also. The object was more of a "T" than a "+". It was never a "I".

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How many heavens are their ? 1,2,3 ?,and how many if any have been discovered by Rocket Satellite probes ?

by smiddy3 in

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how many heavens does the bible identify ?.

1,2,3,?.

the voyager satellites have now gone beyond our solar system in the year 2019 , taking off in the 1970`s and have never encountered one heaven of any sort in that journey ..

Acluetofindtheuser

Rabbinical tradition says there are seven levels of heaven. The NT is the only place in the bible that mentions a third heaven and that's just one scripture. There is no mention of what is in the first heaven or the second heaven. Maybe voyager needs to go through six solar systems to find something interesting in the seventh.

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“A Man Caught-up To … Paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)

by MADMARY in

“a man caught-up to … paradise” (2 corinthians 12:2-4).

above, we cite the verses that speak of "a man," a certain "man in christ" in fact, yes hearing words .... ... "unutterable words" or as some translations say, "inexpressible," or "unspeakable" words...words which man "cannot say," words that are considered by some "unlawful" [or unscriptural] for a "christian" man to even speak.

"heretical" words, words of "apostasy,” or even possibly, "blasphemy" against god!

Acluetofindtheuser

Funny you bring this up. I recently decoded the answer to the mystery on what Paul said regarding the Paradise and the Third heaven.

PM me if you want to know what Paul was really describing. I will not publicly disclose it because the answer is original.

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Still dont get the friggin birthdays

by nowawake14 in

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i have read extensively about the origins of birthdays, and i still don't get it.

but it's not what it means today.. even wedding veils were used to ward off the "evil eye".

but it's not what it means today.

Acluetofindtheuser

Everyone celebrated birthdays pre and post Flood. This included Noah and his family. The early chapters of Genesis mentions a number of men and how long they lived. With the longevity mentioned with these people in Genesis the birthday celebrations would help these families keep a record of how old they were after all that time.

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A POMO father's letter to his PIMI son (Warning: This is long!)

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

my dear son, c---n:.

i am writing you to express my love for you and the pride that i feel for the man you have become.

you need to know that i accept you and love you dearly just for who you are and i am immensely proud of the wise choices you made with regard to your education and your career.. as i write you this heartfelt letter, i pray that you will read it entirely and give it your careful consideration.

Acluetofindtheuser

I wouldn't add that. This is what we were taught by the WT, but almost all Christians of many different denominations will tell you just the opposite.
The New Covenant that JESUS offered wasn't with a religion, it was with individuals who may find themselves in any number of the tens of thousands of Christian groups around the world.
In fact, exclusivity is one of the prime identifying characteristics of a cult.

Good point Sea Breeze. Your comment reminded me of the scripture at Matthew 18:20, where Jesus said the following about Christian fellowship.

"For where two or three gather in my name, there I am with them."

He didn't say anything about having to be an organized brotherhood to be his followers.