Posts by Acluetofindtheuser

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Did Jesus die on a stake or pole?

by sweetyj in

we already know how jws will respond ( on a pole).

but i found an article that talks about jws views on how jesus died.

i didn't know that there was a time when jws accepted the cross unlike now.

Acluetofindtheuser

Jhine, you are so right. In the past I would cringe whenever I saw the cross. The WT made it so taboo. I never thought about it being a tool to keep former members from joining other churches. Good observation.

I don't know if it has already been said but there is another interesting fact to prove that it had a cross beam. John 21:18-19 has Jesus describing Peter's future death. "...But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and another man will clothe you and carry you where you do not wish. He said this to indicate by what sort of death he would glorify God."

Peter was going to stretch out his arms on a cross beam and be crucified per the scripture above. This sounds as if the common torture device being used in Peter's day was a cross. Peter and Jesus were similar in age so Jesus had to have been put on the same type of device.

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Did Jesus die on a stake or pole?

by sweetyj in

we already know how jws will respond ( on a pole).

but i found an article that talks about jws views on how jesus died.

i didn't know that there was a time when jws accepted the cross unlike now.

Acluetofindtheuser

He died on a large stake that was permanently anchored into the ground. He first carried the cross beam through the streets and was ridiculed. Once Jesus reached skull place the Roman soldiers placed him on the cross beam and then hoisted him up on the large stake. All the facts point to this method. The solo upright stake theory has so many flaws.

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Upset and Concerned!

by The Bethelite in

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i'm very worried.

i just took out two slices of dave's killer bread out of the bag this morning, to make some toast.

i bought the bread almost 2 weeks ago.

Acluetofindtheuser

They're enriching it with more gluten to increase the shelf life. That is why we are seeing more people diagnosed with Celiac disease.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/celiac-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20352220

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Bizarre image that puzzles me -- any tips?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i am a sometimes weather buff and enjoy the various services our national weather service provides.. interestingly, a few days ago (7/26/19 at 6:20 a.m. to be exact) i was looking at our arkansas statewide weather radar image during breakfast.

on that image, something appeared bizarre so i decided to do a screen capture on my samsung tablet.. today, i am still puzzled so i decided to share it with others in the hope that someone may offer solutions to the puzzle.

just below, is that captured (and unretouched) image.

Acluetofindtheuser

This weather event happened before and was featured on a unsolved mystery program on the Science Channel. They interviewed some experts and probable causes were brought forward. In the end there was no clear answer to the mystery donut shape seen on the Doppler radar image.

I just googled the effect and there is one case where it was caused by a swarm of birds. Your image seems to be too large for it to be birds.

Roost Ring Donut

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/roost-ring-donut-image-on-weather-radar-formed-by-birds/

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Comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic Text: Genealogies in Genesis 5

by ILoveTTATT2 in

i started a thread comparing the septuagint to the masoretic text.it is here:https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5665236409384960/comparing-septuagint-masoretic-textfor those who do not know what the septuagint and the masoretic text are, here's an introduction on wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/septuagint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/masoretic_text.

i think that, more than anything else, the fact that the septuagint and the masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the bible.. and more than anything else, the most striking differences between the septuagint and the masoretic text have to be the genealogies of genesis 5.. the genealogies of genesis 5 are crucial to the jehovah's witnesses, the adventists, and many other religions that place an emphasis on time prophecy.why is that?because they try to make out when the "end of the world" happens based on the 6000 years of human existence, they have to use genesis 5. and, if the numbers in genesis 5 in the bible most people in the western world use are wrong, then the time to creation is wrong, and then the "end of the world date" is wrong.so, what are the differences?the account tells the ages in this format:x person lived for y years.

Acluetofindtheuser

Take a look at this genealogy comparison chart of Genesis below. It compares the birth,death,life span of the Masoretic text, the Samaritan Pentateuch and the Greek Septuagint.

If the two witness rule is to be applied, then the Masoretic text is wrong with the first born data of Arphaxad, Salah, Eber, Peleg, Reu and Serug. The Greek Septuagint and Samaritan Pentateuch both agree when these first born sons appeared in the timeline. For some reason the editors of the Masoretic text decided to drop the 100's portion of the age.

If you follow the Greek Septuagint and the Samaritan Pentateuch with the six men listed above, then it puts the building of the Pyramids of Egypt after the deluge, not before. Also of note is the fact that the NT writers quoted the Greek Septuagint and not the Masoretic text.

Here's a link to the table if it's hard to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogies_of_Genesis

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GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"

by freetosee in

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i find it interesting that samuel herd (as co) promoted the book angels and women in his talk "fear of giants".

he called it a fascinating book, once you pick it up you cant put it down without reading it from cover to cover!

he also mentions that russell wrote the foreword of the book and that it can be found in the gilead library.. .

Acluetofindtheuser

Oh, I wish I would have copied that audio recording when I first visited this site. I listened to that portion of the talk a few times over the years.

I was just thinking about important years of the bible students/JW's and one of them relates to the publication year of Seola. That novel's date of publication was 1878.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

In the early years of the bible students they thought 1878 was the year Jesus took rulership in heaven. They also thought the rapture was also supposed to occur in that year. Please click the link above about "Failed date predictions of Jehovah's Witnesses" on JWfacts. There's a good amount of details on the 1878 predictions.

It looks at though 1878 was supposed to be the real 1914.

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WT / JW Doctrine ,Satan cast out of Heaven in 1914 ? He has always had access to the earth ? Since Eve .

by smiddy3 in

this doctrine / belief that jehovah`s witnesses have , surely raises a few questions that they do not address.. 1.this spirit being challenged god by questioning his authority and offering eve an alternative making himself satan.. and this took place on earth ,the garden of eden.

so he who became satan had access to the earth.. 2. all throughout the old testament , the hebrew scriptures do we find examples of satan interfering with gods plan of things either by himself or his followers .. 3.their are just too many examples to list individually ,however a few key ones would be , the nephilim , job when god in heaven asks him where he has been , and his reply , from roving about on the earth .

, etc.etc.. 4.and of course in the new testament , where jesus is taken up into a mountain to be tempted by satan for fourty days ?.

Acluetofindtheuser

Your entire post earlier was very interesting Doug Mason. Here's a portion that caught my eye, in which I am starting to believe.

As immortal beings, they were asexual; in the Garden story God does not tell them to "be fertile and increase" as they were told in the first creation story (Gen. 1:28). Sexuality is discovered only after eating from the tree, when "they perceived that they were naked" (3:7).

Let's take this a bit further.

The Lord's day arrives. Everyone whom God chooses is changed in a twinkle of an eye. Per Jesus, these special people have no sex drive. They are deemed immortal and they live on the new earth with the new heavens above. One thousand years go by and then an evil influence is allowed to tempt these special immortal people. A number of them pass this test and a number do not. The ones that do not pass are removed somehow. The ones that pass are allowed to eat of the tree of life. After eating of that tree they are given a sexual drive for procreation, thereby merging immortality with sexuality.

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Have you ever gotten a straight answer? If yes, what was it?

by Tenacious in

the light continues to get brighter, yada, yada, yada.. but, the bottom line is the watchtower claims everything comes from jehovah.

books, magazines, videos, assemblies, to jw broadcast, to gb appointments, to dramas, even the music and sophia and caleb.

heck, they would claim jehovah provides the toilet paper if they could.

Acluetofindtheuser

It's been fixed by God already.

Everything from the platform is no longer claimed to be from God. Almost every meeting you will hear the Governing Body being mentioned in the prayers as the source of the spiritual food. Just recently the holy spirit was removed from the baptismal questions. The Organization is run by imperfect men and that's all there's to it.They even admit there is no supernatural involvement. The closest they can get to God is by reading the bible.

The Organization has received no new revelations regarding the execution of the end times. Isaiah 42:9 says, "See, the first things have come to pass; Now I am declaring new things. Before they spring up, I tell you about them." If any out there have a true prophetic message to give to the GB then by all means do so.

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Michael the Archangel and Jesus same person? Start of Blondie researching

by blondie in

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i was reading something else on jwn and remembered why i started questioning wts definite statements of fact.. i was asked by a non-jw to prove these 2 points from the scripture:.

1. when did the 2,300 days in daniel 8:13,14 start?

this scripture therefore suggests that jesus himself is the archangel michael.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005160?q=jesus+michael+archangel&p=sen.

Acluetofindtheuser

Jesus is described in Revelation 19:12-13 as riding on a white horse with the armies of the heavens following him on white horses as well. We know this is Jesus because it says he is called by the name The Word of God. The gospel of John describes Jesus as the Word of God. It's Strange the same verse says he has a name written that no one knows but he himself. This proves that Jesus is not Michael the archangel. We know that other angel's name.

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Michael the Archangel and Jesus same person? Start of Blondie researching

by blondie in

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friends

i was reading something else on jwn and remembered why i started questioning wts definite statements of fact.. i was asked by a non-jw to prove these 2 points from the scripture:.

1. when did the 2,300 days in daniel 8:13,14 start?

this scripture therefore suggests that jesus himself is the archangel michael.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005160?q=jesus+michael+archangel&p=sen.

Acluetofindtheuser

The problem is they have to have an answer for everything. Why can't they just say, we don't know?

For some reason every important mystery character in the Bible is associated with Jesus with the WT.

Michael and Abaddon (angel of the abyss) = Jesus

Why can't other angels have important roles too?

I knew of a witness that said he had a problem with the Michael is Jesus teaching but he was ok with that. He believed in the faith so much that if the organization was called Yahweh's Witnesses he'd still follow it.