Why the move to Warwick?

by optimisticskeptic in

i've seen a lot of posts around and about warwick and the goings on there but was curious as to people's theories on why the move to warwick?

granted there's the obvious point about all of the money from the sale of properties in brooklyn but for as massive as warwick is, the purchase of an apartment complex there, multiple sites and buildings i would be surprised if they had much left from all of the profits.

so beyond a financial incentive why move?

Acluetofindtheuser

Maybe the leadership in the Org privately made the assumption that the disgusting thing mentioned in Matthew were the Arabs that executed the 9/11 attack. The Arabs were standing where they were ought not-Way too close to Bethel. So those in Brooklyn-Judea gradually fled to the Upstate Mountains.

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Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?

by Splash in

what's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.

Acluetofindtheuser

Thus, the Law covenant and all related festivals came to an end from God’s standpoint at Pentecost 33 C.E. Indeed, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by Roman armies in 70 C.E. soon underscored that fact. (Luke 19:41-44) So even though the rededication of the temple was an important event in the history of God’s ancient people, there is no reason for Christians to commemorate Hanukkah."

They contradict themselves with this reasoning. The Society still observes old Law covenant rituals by gathering together three times a year at major assemblies.

The following is from JW.org

"JEHOVAH instructed all Israelite males to gather at Jerusalem three times a year. (Ex. 23:14-17; Lev. 23:34-36) Jesus’ adoptive father, Joseph, took his whole family to Jerusalem on such occasions. Other Israelite men likely did the same. God’s people today likewise gather three times each year for assemblies and conventions."

I don't remember reading any command from Paul saying we must assemble three times a year per the old Law covenant. With that in mind Christianity seems to be based off all of Paul's opinions for that matter.

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Warwick Protest 11-5-2017 - Who's all going?

by Acluetofindtheuser in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xhcoowr6y.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhuvmvbjk-q.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bejhmfrzl0.

Acluetofindtheuser

The organizer of the event talked to the Mayer and Supervisor of Warwick Friday about the issues going on with the Society regarding child molestation scandals. He talks about this in front of a Pub in Warwick before picking up some people involved with the program. He looks to be setting up for the weekend event which is ending today. It will be interesting to hear what comes of all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLPCLUEIFZY

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The Great Pyramid of Gizeh: New Light!

by Ding in

the guardian has a story about a recent discovery regarding the great pyramid of gizeh.

it begins this way:.

"archaeologists have uncovered a mysterious enclosure hidden deep inside the great pyramid of giza, the oldest of the seven wonders of the ancient world.

Acluetofindtheuser

I have a copy of the photo drama of creation that was published in book form. Page 25 describes the following from CT Russell about the origins of the great pyramid.

"Melchisedec is supposed to have been one of the Shepherd Kings who invaded Egypt and built the Great Pyramid, covering twelve acres, known for ages as one of the Seven Wonders of the world - about 2170 B.C."

CT Russel swore that the GP was God's monument and alter in Egypt. That is one strange theory.

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Warwick Protest 11-5-2017 - Who's all going?

by Acluetofindtheuser in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xhcoowr6y.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhuvmvbjk-q.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bejhmfrzl0.

Acluetofindtheuser

Anybody from this discussion board going to the Warwick protest on November 5, 2017?

Here’s a few Youtube videos on it. There’s even a “Gofundme” set up for this.

Warwick: Ex Jehovah’s Witnesses Strike Back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xHcoOWR6Y

11-5-17 USPS Every Door Campaign at JW.org HQ How does that work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHuvMvBjk-Q

Update on the 11 5 17 JW HQ Convention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BejhmFrzL0

The Gofundme page is here

https://www.gofundme.com/vaa-protest-november-5th-2017

They’ve already met their goal of $4000 with 83 donators within 4 months of opening the gofundme account. They said the money will go to the following things for the event.

“Custom signs. Professional banners. Printing materials. If we raise enough money there will be an airplane towing a sign above Watchtower HQ....but there are some other things planned that we can't talk about, but the idea is to change anti-Watchtower activism forever…Thank you for supporting the mission of the Vast Apostate Army. If you donate $30 or more we will be sending you a care package with a tshirt and decals.”

Warwick: JW Protest Picked Up by the Media!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoSmkrULsDo

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Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower

by berrygerry in

from reddit:.

this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.

both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).

Acluetofindtheuser

Here's a link to the news article by the San Diego Reader.

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/oct/12/ticker-jehovahs-witnesses-look-another-direction/

They are very informative but their version is not as juicy as our local member.

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The Watchtower's Real Crisis

by JeffT in

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friends

when discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.

i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.

this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.

Acluetofindtheuser

The GB leadership needs to make a request of the rank and file about their speculations of the end time scenario. Since God isn't inspiring those at the top, to foster new ideas, then maybe some of the pee-ons on the bottom are getting the download. Have these letters sent in just like the letter writing campaign to the Russian government.

The originality would be limited because the meeting curriculum seeks to make clones of the writing department. It's just a school that wants you to answer what the text book says. The text book is not the bible, its the supplemental publications.

They need a think tank. Are you up for the challenge?

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Stupid, stupid nonsense in the October JW broadcast

by sir82 in

so in the october jw broadcast, there is a "morning worship" segment in which g. jackson goes to great lengths to explain how the term "those taking the lead" are not "leaders".. the terms are exactly equivalent, of course, but jackson, with a wink & smirk, pats himself on the back for his own cleverness on how different they really are.it's just so bizarrely absurd.. imagine if such tortured reasoning were applied to other areas..... -------------------------------------.

restaurant manager: i'm sorry, the only position we have open is for dishwasher.

applicant: that's insulting!

Acluetofindtheuser

G. Jackson wants to make sure absolute loyalty of the friends is directed at the GB and not toward a local elder noticing trouble in paradise. "Wait on Jehovah" is the popular line if you're disgruntled.

In ancient times it was the prophets who were disgruntled and they made a big stink about it. They either caused change in the hearts of the leadership or in most cases were killed for speaking against that leadership. When the leadership refused to listen to outside criticism, God just burned his .org to the ground. This is where the current system may be headed.

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