Posts by JWchange

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WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL

by JWchange in

it is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the royal commission, by watchtower on this forum somewhere, sorry if it is already posted.

click on the link below, and scroll down to 'submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

if this link doesn't work.

JWchange

It is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the Royal Commission, by Watchtower on this forum somewhere, Sorry if it is already posted.

Click on the link below, and scroll down to 'Submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

If this link doesn't work. go to case study 29 JWs and you will find it as described above.

It is very bad that WTBTS are actually making excuses and even stating certain findings are beyond the scope of the inquiry.They should have said we will change procedures as of today. They didn't and it makes me very angry.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx

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Why do girls have a hymen?

by JWchange in

if you believe humans evolved, and were not created, why would having a hymen help, especially as no other mammal has one?

if you believe humans were created by {a} god, or intelligent beings with advanced technology, what was the reason for a hymen?

i'm interested to hear your thoughts on this unusual subject, not many people talk about..

JWchange

If you believe Humans evolved, and were not created, why would having a hymen help, especially as no other mammal has one?

If you believe Humans were created by {a} God, or intelligent beings with advanced technology, what was the reason for a hymen?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this unusual subject, not many people talk about.

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JWs, UFO's, demons, and the book "The Dark Gods"

by MikeHammer in

i have been looking into this issue that (many/most/all/etc) ufos are caused by demons as seems to be said by jws.

some time ago when i browsed this site i read a posting where someone recommended a book titled "the dark gods" by roberts and gilbertson (here is a link to the book at amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/dark-gods-anthony-roberts/dp/009138771x).. besides that one there are a couple of other books that i have checked (one of these is "operation trojan horse" by john keel and the other one is "a guide to the paranormal" by magnus raven).

both of these say the same thing although they approach this issue from different directions.. looking at the amazon reviews for "the dark gods" it looks like it also says the same thing but the book is out of print.

JWchange

If Aliens are non human advanced intelligent beings from other planets, other dimensions, other universes, i believe there is a high probability there are such super advanced life forms.

There is also a high probability Religious literature and historic texts is full of Alien encounters. Angels, Demons, Jinn (Quoran), Hindu Gods, etc. Depending on the eye of the beholder and their benevolence, some are portrayed as bad ('Demons), or Good (Angels).

if there are many races of such beings, some may use spacecraft (UFOs), but more advanced ones (Ultra Terrestrials) would have technology so advanced they could possibly make themselves invisible. Even if they had spacecraft, we would would not see them unless they wanted us to for a reason.

When i was an active JW, I secretly believed all the above and even thought the New Jerusalem in Revelation could be a giant mother ship, 'and the whole world would see him in the clouds [via CNN}'. Who knows?

Read Jim Marrs books. I'm also a fan of Graham Hancock

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Yeah, my parents plan to will everything to this parasitic organization and forsake their seed

by Phaedra in

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yeah, they'll leave it all, their home, savings, etc.. never mind helping out their struggling children who never had a chance.. fuck this organization and everything it stands for when its members think god will favor them more by willing everything to a corporation instead of their own struggling seed..

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When they die (RIP), use social media and the press to object that your parents have left their money to pay for JW Pedo lawsuits. THEN SUE the estate and the trustees if the trustees agree to leave it to the JWs. .

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SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

by EdenOne in

some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

JWchange

Dr EdenOne: Very well written scholarly article. You qualify for PhD level in JW TTATT activism!

I suggest you send to jwsurvey, jwfacts and others for publication. Also, may be worth sending via courier marked confidential to each member of the Governing Body and their 'helpers'. over a period of time so that your article doesn't get binned at the same time. This is a wild card, but could lay seeds of change for the future. Even though i wont hold my breath, your excellent article could create future change in the JWs, if just a couple of their leadership reads it, especially when their expansion starts decreasing.

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For the Supporters of Those Who Love Jehovah

by lovesjehovah in

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i am jehovah's witness, despite some of the questionable teachings, crimes, and other outlandish behaviors of specific people affiliated with the religion.

i know that my relationship with jehovah is not influenced by any outside factors.

i do not condone any crime.

JWchange

Wow. Lovesjehovah buddy, you certainly have created an interesting thread based on all the responses. i commend you.

My thoughts, at risk of being branded a blasphemer:

I believe in 'The Creator' of life on this planet and am thankful for all the beauty you can see in nature.i certainly love, thank and appreciate 'He who causes to be', the apparent translation of the name.

I am not sure if the 'ass kicking' Jehovah of the old testament, as written by men in the Bible (or Koran), is the above.

I cannot accept our loving creator has the aim of killing 7 billion people.He is a winner not a loser.

i also believe religion sucks, especially when they speak in the Creator's name without authority.

Bottom line: (sorry half this post is to do with bottoms), if I was Jehovah/Allah/The Creator, i would one day publicly kick the ass of religious leaders, including JW Governing Body members, for all the problems they have caused. I would not take it out on ordinary people who are trying to live a normal decent life.

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Who or What is the Holy Spirit?

by FusionTheism in

tradition within christianity has long been that any time the phrases holy spirit, holy ghost, or spirit of godare used in the bible (especially in the new testament), it always refers to the mysterious third divine person of the trinity, who is fully god, co-equal to the father and son, yet somehow distinct.. i want to present a simplified alternative view: let the context determine the meaning!.

(one thing to keep in mind is that the meaning of the bible words used for spirit basically is unseen force or invisible presence.).

the holy spirit as the mind and personality of god.

JWchange

Could it be the Holy Spirit is the incredible automation that exists in the universe which possibly includes Karma and 'The Force be with you' type phenomena presented in the Star Wars movies. Regardless of whether someone is an Atheist, Spiritual or Religious, I am of the opinion many people would agree to the possibility such a force exists. Some people are good at tapping into it and others 'sin' against it.....for example blowing people up in the name of their God.

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Interview with Jehovah's witnesses

by John Doe64 in

hello i am john a student of naperville north high school.

in a comparative religion project we have to research a branch of christianity mine being jehovah's witness and do an interview so this is out to all jehovah's witnesses or former jehovah's witnesses.. what do you enjoy about being jehovah's witness and what do you enjoy the least?.

what is communion like for jehovah's witnesses?.

JWchange

Hi John

very useful website for your research is http://jwfacts.com/.

The main problem is once you get in, you can't leave easily without being shunned for life by friends and family. some answers below in [ ]

What is communion like for Jehovah's witnesses? [once a year on the memorial of Jesus death, but only certain ones allowed to take part. It is called 'The Memorial'.]

What is your important belief as a Jehovah's witness? [That they are not The true religion. There are many JWs on this forum who cannot leave for reasons above]

How has being a Jehovah's witness affected your life? [It destroyed it]

What are your stances on homosexuality, abortion, and divorce? [JW stance is No, No and Maybe. Divorce OK if spouse commits adultery, however not OK if spouse beats you up on a daily basis and verbally abuses you. My stance is be good to others, everything else is a technicality]

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Are baptisms under the age of 18 valid? Can one baptised/dedicated prior actually be dfed according to law?

by EndofMysteries in

in a business law class i've been learning all about contracts.

i wonder if for all of those who were baptized prior to the age of 18, if the wt/elders could be forced on our insistence that our dedication/baptism as a minor was made without proper mental capacity and that it be declared invalid, henceforth having never been baptized then family,etc, would be free in wt's eyes to treat as any non-jw vs shunning as an ex-jw.

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Paul Grundy (JWfacts author) tried legal arguments, under Australian law, to annul his child baptism. Read his story and very well thought out letter to the Borg, here: http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/grundy.php

To active JWs who lurk on this Forum: What is sacrifice?

by JWchange in

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sacrifice is to die for a cause or principle, to help others .

sacrifice is to bravely give your life saving someone on a battlefield .

sacrifice is to get injured, rescuing someone you dont know from a house fire.

JWchange

Sacrifice is to die for a cause or principle, to help others

Sacrifice is to bravely give your life saving someone on a battlefield

Sacrifice is to get injured, rescuing someone you don’t know from a house fire

Sacrifice is to sell or give something below value for a purpose

To active JWs, I put forward the following thought provoking questions:

You believe that you must obey the Governing Body, no matter how strange their viewpoints are, and no matter how often they change them. What if they’re wrong (again)?

You shun close family members, in case you displease God and will not get everlasting life. To save you skin, you won’t even RISK that a loving God doesn’t expect this cruelty from you.

You will refuse a blood transfusion to your own child and allow him to be die and be sacrificed, in case you displease God and will not get everlasting life. To save your skin, you will kill your only child. And as an elder you indirectly cover up child abuse because the WTBTS tells you to, in case you displease God.

You believe in Jesus’ sacrifice, however it was done with the knowledge or belief he would be resurrected. So I again ask: what is sacrifice? Could it be that YOUR sacrifice it to RISK not living forever by secretly disobeying some of the more outrageous, unscriptural and cruel edicts of the Governing Body, such as sunning disfellowshipped ones and refusing blood for your family?

Would a loving God punish you for the ‘sacrifice’ of being a compassionate, moral human being?

Comments will be welcome by anyone including active JWs. If you are a lurker, please join this forum using a pseudonym, and speak your mind about this and other topics