Posts by braincleaned

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A JW called me a moron.

by shepherd in

well, i finally got a chance to discuss religion with a jw at the door.

i have been looking forward to it for a long time, now i know what questions to ask that will cause them to eat their reasoning book in panic.

but no, there was no long in depth bible discussion.

HAHAHAHAHA! Oh my goodness - that made me laugh to tears! Funniest shit ever from a JW!

Anyway, he sounds like he was just doing "time" for his report, and is on his way out of the whole scam. NO JW would say this.
I can't help it, I'm still in tears! Great demonstration to do at an assembly! Imagine! LMAO!!!

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Any one else like me?

by braincleaned in

i have pioneered every time i possibly could, gave talks... i was a good jw!

but for over 40 years, i had nagging doubts about the character of god.

to make a long story short, i'm now a happy atheist!

braincleaned

Thanks for your input Tammy. Indeed I understand. My perspective is other because I actually had problems with the Bible before losing faith - and only when that was established have I dared face the WTS's crooked teachings and false Biblical interpretations.So, that's where I'm coming from.I do understand your vantage point is not the same. And also understand that true believers can without effort, see the Society for what it is. Especially it's cutting Jesus from the followers and placing itself pompously as the "Mediator" - how arrogant. A despotic mind-controlling cult.

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untitled

by braincleaned in

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deuteronomy 18:20-22 states:.

"20 but a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything i have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods,is to be put to death.21 you may say to yourselves, how can we know when a message has not been spoken by the lord?

22 if what a prophet proclaims in the name of the lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the lord has not spoken.

braincleaned

I'm trying to edit this post, and I continually get error pages!!

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untitled

by braincleaned in

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deuteronomy 18:20-22 states:.

"20 but a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything i have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods,is to be put to death.21 you may say to yourselves, how can we know when a message has not been spoken by the lord?

22 if what a prophet proclaims in the name of the lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the lord has not spoken.

braincleaned

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 states:

" 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods,is to be put to death.”

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord ?”

22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.

How can the WTS not apply this to themselves?

Additionally - there is no prophet in the Bible that was mistaken then claimed "new light"...

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Believing in God - Challenge

by jgnat in

i invite king solomon and anyone else that is interested, to discuss if believing in god may be helpful.

i am not restricting the discussion to the biblical god.

i'm ready to look if this belief may be helpful both from a societal and from an individual point of view.

braincleaned

I agree with Bertrand Russell.
(Interview 1959):

Q: Do you think there’s a practical reason for having a religious belief, for many people?

Russell: Well, there can’t be a practical reason for believing what isn’t true. That’s quite... at least, I rule it out as impossible. Either the thing is true, or it isn’t. If it is true, you should believe it, and if it isn’t, you shouldn’t. And if you can’t find out whether it’s true or whether it isn’t, you should suspend judgment. But you can’t... it seems to me a fundamental dishonesty and a fundamental treachery to intellectual integrity to hold a belief because you think it’s useful, and not because you think it’s true.

So, no - there is no good reason that part of us should reach beyond our base natures, to reach for that which is unproven to be bigger than ourselves, without any evidence.

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email from father in law

by outsmartthesystem in

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i've been a little busy recently.

but in accordance with some of you (and against the advice of many of you)....i did send my 607 research to my fil.

his response is below.

braincleaned

WAAAAAY too long! He will roll his eyes at it, and at this point will probably ignore it.
However there is a FANTASTIC phrase you wrote:

"I wanted truth. Not a new way of ignoring evidence."
Wow! THat packs a punch!!! Brilliant. I'll use that!

Go back, edit your letter to the barebone intent. Believe me... don't send it yet.

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Any one else like me?

by braincleaned in

i have pioneered every time i possibly could, gave talks... i was a good jw!

but for over 40 years, i had nagging doubts about the character of god.

to make a long story short, i'm now a happy atheist!

braincleaned

"I am open to expanding my understanding of things, but yes the brainwashed mind takes time to clear out. I am also afraid of accepting evolution as it will mean that probably there is no god... not quite ready to say that yet."

I truly understand. But I will say this; to know we are the makers of our own destiny, and that our life here is a wonderful fortune - has been a source of amazing bliss for me.

However, don't rush things. If you are comfortable now, you should keep on like you are.
If you're not comfortable, then it may be time to take a personal step forward.

In any case, I wish you all the best. I'm rooting for you!!! ;)

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Getting Back In (yes, its for family) What do I Say on 3rd Try?

by Meadow36 in

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in my last meeting to be re-instated they said for next time figure out which person from the bible i'm most like.

and be ready to tell them what i pray about and how i feel about what i did to jehovah.

being honest , speaking from the heart about jesus forgiving peter and having a hard time answering the prayer question didn't work getting hysterical and nervous-breakdownish at the end didn't help, nor did running out of the hall after saying i could never do any better.

braincleaned

I love the idea of the prodical son choice. You can play on what's true - that it's not easy to get back in because you need help. Make them feel as they are the key to your spiritual well-being. Make them the heroes, careful not to over play it.

I really feel for you. I understand why you're doing it. But I will be bluntly honest with you - you won't be able to hold it for long. This is NOT a solution that will make you happy, unless your goal is to pry out your family from the cult.

cobaltcupcake is spot on! Think about it.

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Any one else like me?

by braincleaned in

i have pioneered every time i possibly could, gave talks... i was a good jw!

but for over 40 years, i had nagging doubts about the character of god.

to make a long story short, i'm now a happy atheist!

braincleaned

Not sure what you're saying Fernando.//If you are saying that going from unbelief to unbelief is much easier than transitioning to belief I have to agree.// Are you talking about the evolution of belief? In which case this is not what i'm saying. Men have created belief in the supernatural because they needed answers as to life and the world surrounding them. So it wasn't difficult to go from nothing to a belief system - in fact it was natural!In my case I went from belief to disbelief... and I guarantee that it was not easy!!!

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Any one else like me?

by braincleaned in

i have pioneered every time i possibly could, gave talks... i was a good jw!

but for over 40 years, i had nagging doubts about the character of god.

to make a long story short, i'm now a happy atheist!

braincleaned

XBEHERE, about us being destructive as humans, it may be useful to know that is exactly a evolutionary trend. Evolution has hits and misses - and when you think about the numbers, like the fact that up to 98% of all the species that have ever lived are now extinct, you get an idea of how random the process is (not to be confused with 'chance', which natural selection is certainly NOT).

The problem with us humans, is the fear we have of our future of non existance, while we don't have a problem of non-existing before we were born.

Such is the cycle of life. When we evolved to higher consciousness, we invented gods and purposes that evolution couldn't care less about. But we have evolved, and continue to do so. Science has in the last couple of hundred years debunked much of the claims of the Bible, which is expected, since the Bible only offers knowledge of the time, 2,000 years ago.

Now, we have and continue to make purpose for ourselves. That's the product of our evolved consciousness.
This is not the product of a god. Besides, anyone reading this is already more moral than Jah, as we know to be evil slavery, genocide, or stoning to death people who make mistakes. Jah is a ruthless bastard; even Satan is not creditid in the Bible for the horrors of genocide. Thankfully, all of it is a fairy tale - well used by the WTS to keep in fear those in their grasp. It's time for humanity to keep moving forward, evolve, and let go of these toxic beliefs that have some willing to kill others for.