Posts by braincleaned

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Mein Kampf is really bad... but is it worse than the bible

by confusedandalone in

out of my own curiosity i have spent about 2 days on and off reading mein kampf.

not in its entirety but parts of it.

honesty it is apparent that our old buddy hitler has some serious issues... this whole aryan race thing and all.

braincleaned

Naaahhh... Hitler was a criminal. Jehovah never demanded a pure race, nor did he ever commit genocide.
He doesn't have an organization endoctrinating children to His standards. Naaaahhh... God is nothing like Hitler, and the Bible is nothing like Mein Kampf.
Silly thought.

*actually, I just wrote on a related subject. It's called "I wonder..."

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I wonder...

by braincleaned in

i wonder about why so many of us stick to the "truth" within the frame of the jehovah's witness religion.. of course, the wts has authority over our minds thru the control of information, demonizing any "worldly" knowledge that might jeopardize our faith in this entity.. thru my own experience, i understand how we can stick to this organization; because of a life's investment in serving, and the close ties of family and peers we do not wish to abandon or upset.

so we are here on sites like these, to understand the mechanisms of the cult... to try to make sense of why we should stay, or why we should leave.. the consequences are too important to take this lightly, or too swiftly.. if i may share a bit of my journey, i did not have to worry too much about the cult at first, because my main battle was based deeper than that.

after all, the root of any christian religion is in the bible itself; faith in jehovah and christ; trust in the idea that the bible is inspired by god himself.. so yes, my quest went to the base, the root of the jw faith... the bible.. since childhood, the character of jehovah was a problem for me.

braincleaned

I wonder about why so many of us stick to the "truth" within the frame of the Jehovah's Witness religion.

Of course, the WTS has authority over our minds thru the control of information, demonizing any "worldly" knowledge that might jeopardize our faith in this entity.

Thru my own experience, I understand how we can stick to this Organization; because of a life's investment in serving, and the close ties of family and peers we do not wish to abandon or upset. So we are here on sites like these, to understand the mechanisms of the cult… to try to make sense of why we should stay, or why we should leave.

The consequences are too important to take this lightly, or too swiftly.

If I may share a bit of my journey, I did not have to worry too much about the cult at first, because my main battle was based deeper than that. After all, the root of any christian religion is in the Bible itself; faith in Jehovah and Christ; trust in the idea that the Bible is inspired by God himself.

So yes, my quest went to the base, the root of the JW faith… the Bible.

Since childhood, the character of Jehovah was a problem for me. The "God of Love" was capable of the most violent and cruel actions deemed to be "perfect justice" — unquestionable — too high to be understood by us mortal sinners.

And this always bothered me.

Why was I expected to have a double standard of understanding when it came to Jehovah? What logic was there that genocide, homophobia, jealousy, slavery, vengeance (to name a few) was ever acceptable?

Since I was 12, the story of Elisha and the 42 kids mauled to death for teasing him horrified me. That wasn't justice. The punishment did not fit the crime (if teasing was a crime)! To this day, the story still angers me. (2 kings 2:23-25).

The Bible is filled with horrors like this, from a "loving" god that prides himself to be jealous and vengeful (sic).

I won't go into more detail (I could go on a whole book's worth), but this is why leaving the JWs was not the biggest problem (although it was still a problem). By the time I clicked on my first "apostate" site, I was already on way to being an atheist.

Somewhere in between, I read enough on evolution to realize that the Borg has fed us with dishonest quote-mining and blatant lies on the subject. Reading it from the horse's mouth blew my mind! It was simply one of the best moments of my life.

All this to say, I was not "lost", finding myself with nowhere to go with my theism. I was an now atheist, loving the one life I had, enjoying it more with knowing that all I had to care for are my loved ones, and leaving this life with the cleanest footprint I could leave behind, even maybe with something for my kids to be proud of and remember me by.

Sorry for the long post. I just hope my journey helps someone out there. Maybe someone relates to my story, and just needs a little nudge to question the validity of all this. I read every day of those who are outside the WTS, left alone and wandering with their theism in a bag… looking for another religion to fit the need, while forgetting that there is a whole world of beautiful reality out there, waiting for them to use their life to the full, unhindered by religious protocol.

Much love and Peace.

Vince.

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DID I MISS SOMETHING? Aren't the JW's enjoying their long SABBATH?

by Terry in

according to the bible timetable, man's history on earth has been nearly 6,000 years.

adam was created in 4026 b.c.e., which means that six thousand years of human history end about the fall of 1975 c.e.

we are in the great 7,000-year rest day of god, starting at the time he rested after the creation of adam and eve.

braincleaned

Good point.

If I'm asked why I don't go to the Kingdom Hall anymore, I will say "Men of little faith, do you not know I am there thru my invisible presence?
Did you not get my invisible monthly report?"

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What are you NOT allowed to say as a Jehovahs Witness?

by The Quiet One in

"one of the bible study was listening and singing the song by jason mraz titled lucky with the chorus going like this;.

quote.

'i'm lucky i'm in love with my best friend.. lucky to have been where i have been.. lucky to be coming home again.. lucky we're in love in every way.. lucky to have stayed where we have stayed.. lucky to be coming home someday..'.

braincleaned

LOL The Quiet One! Good one ideed!

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What are you NOT allowed to say as a Jehovahs Witness?

by The Quiet One in

"one of the bible study was listening and singing the song by jason mraz titled lucky with the chorus going like this;.

quote.

'i'm lucky i'm in love with my best friend.. lucky to have been where i have been.. lucky to be coming home again.. lucky we're in love in every way.. lucky to have stayed where we have stayed.. lucky to be coming home someday..'.

braincleaned

I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to say "Fuck your Governing Body and its Bullshit"...

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All JW Elders World Wide...A Call To Action!

by bjc2read in

this just posted on a jw reform board at this link:.

http://meletivivlon.com/2013/10/13/remember-those-who-instructed-you/#comment-4950.

see acts 20:26-28.. if we do not speak out now, at this time, then no elder in any body of elders from around the world, will be able to repeat the words of paul, with a clear conscience.

braincleaned

I agree with RayPublisher — why reform a religion/cult that clearly never had God's approbation anyway, even from the start?

The whole 1919 thing is total BS, since at the time the Bible Students were still celebrating Christmas and had many catholic views.
Even today the Borg sneers on that period, and would disfellowship anyone practicing the religion as it was practiced in 1919.

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Daily filter of the daily text

by prologos in

jw
friends

just an idea for the many jws, "ins" of varying degrees that go here for entertainment, slow growth to understanding:.

how about a daily feature where one "cleans the filter" of wt-think and puts it on jwn like.

what i am really thinking as we dicuss the daily text.

braincleaned

I absolutely LOVE this idea!

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Did Cedars manipulate Lee into having a thread closed?

by cedars in

i will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..

braincleaned

Best ending of a thread. :)

I was worried I was out of place because I am often guilty of this myself.

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can i claim copyright with this word?

by bigmac in

jw
friends

it came to me as i typed a reply on a fbook apostate group:.

dubbish !!.

the words jw's come out with.. _________________________________________________.

braincleaned

How about "DUBASS"?

AH! Already exists! Damn!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dubass

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Is reading literature a no-no?

by Frazzled UBM in

my wife doesn't read literature.

i think it is such a shame because reading is one of the joys of life so i have been encouraging her but am meeting resistance.

is there a general prohibition on reading 'wordly' books?

braincleaned

LOL! Yes sir82! Right on — I got that all the time. I remember as a kid being mocked at for reading Lord of the Rings! How could I waste my time like that! LOL!

I did stump them though, because I did read my Bible recularely, and read the magazines as soon as I got them.
I practice speed-reading... except for a good book. Then a savor it slowly!