As I have said earlier on, this is fantastic reasoning. I will use this myself — although I'm an atheist, reasoning with their own references is crucial to positive debate.
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How I recently handled JWs at my door
by Christian guy inthe jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.
i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.
so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.
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The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.
by Stand for Pure Worship inan average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.
on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?
not exactly working out for you guys.
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Name another group of people with a variety of backgrounds that can come together with peace and unity dedicated to righteous principles?
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Epistemology. I Wonder 2...
by braincleaned inwhat is the value of our knowledge?.
i respect all beliefs for what they are.
but many of us are being treated condescendingly by those who have more certainty than we atheists do.
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So back to the OP... how do I know what I know?
I only know what science has either logically explained, or empirically proved.
The rest is an epistemic jungle.
Like everybody — I mostly feel and follow what is most logical to my understanding; all open to change upon new intelligence.
That openness, is maybe what differentiates us atheist from theists. For the latter, the existence of Christ is unquestionable.
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Epistemology. I Wonder 2...
by braincleaned inwhat is the value of our knowledge?.
i respect all beliefs for what they are.
but many of us are being treated condescendingly by those who have more certainty than we atheists do.
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//If I can take away only one thing from this discussion it's this: that all atheists are not alike and we shouldn't paint them with one broad brushstroke - and all believers are not alike and shouldn't be painted with one broad brushstroke.//
On spot Watkins! Yes.
I'm probably in the same kind of realm as you and Tec when it comes to atheism — because I also have very deep convictions that are not the norm for many modern atheists.
Example: for the life of me I cannot imagine a beginning. I just cant. When I was a believer, I had no problem with infinity. It was simple for me to understand, even as a kid. A common circle (or sphere) had all the elements of infinity: where/when did it start, where/when did it end?
Nothing comes from nothing, as the first law of thermodynamics confirms. My first thought was that even a creator god needed the elements to create... Who can create something out of nothing? There is not one example of something coming from nothing. Not one. Only in theoretical mathematics can this be tinkered with.Today, many admirable scientists redefine "nothing" — but to me that doesn't change the fact that all the elements of this Universe had to have always existed.
I am CONVINCED from what I have read all these years, that Nature has always existed. I'm convinced (so far) that the Big Bang was but one breath of an infinite series of Big Bangs — from a living and breathing univers. I also have hope that quantum physics will enlighten us more on this complex subject.This is where my understanding of 'origin' hits the same wall than the one theists hit. Both of us start with an infinate cyclic entity.
Here is a tiny extract of something that Carl Sagan reasoned, that changed my line of thinking years ago:
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A mole within the FDS!
by braincleaned init has been now verified that there was a traitor within the gb!.
an insider had the courage and audacity to verify this, taking the risk of being kicked out of bethel, with a cross carved on his forehead.. it became apparent that all the men of the gb where naturally bald, even when some tried to hide it with a clever and stylistic comb-over.
but there was some suspicion that pierce and losch were not true bald men.
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I love she-bares... Attack, please.
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A mole within the FDS!
by braincleaned init has been now verified that there was a traitor within the gb!.
an insider had the courage and audacity to verify this, taking the risk of being kicked out of bethel, with a cross carved on his forehead.. it became apparent that all the men of the gb where naturally bald, even when some tried to hide it with a clever and stylistic comb-over.
but there was some suspicion that pierce and losch were not true bald men.
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Actually tornapart, I am slowly showing a bald spot... in 10 years, my chances of being part of the GB may become reality.
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A mole within the FDS!
by braincleaned init has been now verified that there was a traitor within the gb!.
an insider had the courage and audacity to verify this, taking the risk of being kicked out of bethel, with a cross carved on his forehead.. it became apparent that all the men of the gb where naturally bald, even when some tried to hide it with a clever and stylistic comb-over.
but there was some suspicion that pierce and losch were not true bald men.
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Oh it was just a little light fun. I know my humor silly. :D
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A mole within the FDS!
by braincleaned init has been now verified that there was a traitor within the gb!.
an insider had the courage and audacity to verify this, taking the risk of being kicked out of bethel, with a cross carved on his forehead.. it became apparent that all the men of the gb where naturally bald, even when some tried to hide it with a clever and stylistic comb-over.
but there was some suspicion that pierce and losch were not true bald men.
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Oh well... I tried. Not the place for poking fun at the GB. Too many JWs...
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How I recently handled JWs at my door
by Christian guy inthe jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.
i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.
so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.
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Love it. Great argument, and I was smiling at this as I wish I was then a fly on the wall! Well done!
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A mole within the FDS!
by braincleaned init has been now verified that there was a traitor within the gb!.
an insider had the courage and audacity to verify this, taking the risk of being kicked out of bethel, with a cross carved on his forehead.. it became apparent that all the men of the gb where naturally bald, even when some tried to hide it with a clever and stylistic comb-over.
but there was some suspicion that pierce and losch were not true bald men.
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My attempt at some humor obviously went flat! Dud...