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let's talk about this.. i have lots of friends on this board.
so..........can we still be friends, if i disagree with you?
Well, yes.
My good friend and occasional lover has a very different view of life, the universe and everything than I do. Some disagrements have ended with us cuddled up watching a video with an occasional comment along the lines of 'you're still wrong'. Sometimes it even becomes a physical altercation -- of the best kind. Then there are threats -- say I'm right or I'll stop.
queereality
i thought about writing "i quit" but it got a little wordier than i expected.
but i'm sending this off monday morning.
i've used a little info gathered here on this site but mostly it's my thoughts.
LB-
That is one damn good letter. I wish I could be so eloquent.
One thought -- this is anal as hell, but then that is how jws are -- You mentioned losing the affection of your son:
The jw line regarding shunning is that he loves you as much as he always has -- there has been no loss of affection. But, just as with a beloved family member whose behavior becomes intolerable (perhaps stealing from family members to support a drug habit that has made them mentally and emotionally disturbed), it is reasonable to not spend any more time with that family member than absolutely necessary. This does not mean that that there is any less affection. It is simpley choosing to not associate with someone whose lifestyle is incompatible with your own.
I think many jws would be surprised at the idea that your son would might lose affection for you. When I was still in, it would not have occured to me that my feelings towards a person change because they are disfellowshipped, only my behavior would change. Of course, I hardley knew the meaning of affection, much less how to express such an emotion. Unfortunately, many jws are developmentaly disabled in feeling love and affection.
And I love the idea of sending it to the r/f before sending it to the elders.
queereality
P.S. Diving in Monterey?? That's where I went to finish my diving class. How is the visibility this time of year? I hope you have lots of fun.
as of 10:00 this morning all names have been sent out via emails.
please, please take a look in your email boxes and make sure that you received one.
if not, email me.
Got my name.
Thanks scootergirl!
queereality
i think it is time to stop cheerleading for the christmas gift x-change......we have quite a few names and i am really excited!
i am crossing off names as they post to this thread...... .
gentlyferal beckmelbourne truckergbveniceit pettygrundger talley mamashel nilfun beautifulgarbage orangefatcat been_there simon angharad heaven vickie butalbeexenawarrior mouthy animal debradoll ladylee mulan the_star joannadandy searchin50 happy2b scarlet randomtask celia siegswife caligirl waiting tinkerbell4125cc ridercoolbreeze onacruise/bikerchick ballistic windchaser flower elsewhere queer_reality kelpie revmalk funkyderek grout notinterested joy2bfree connielyne valis cowboy englishman plumkrzy lyineyes dutchie eyegirl scootergirl perry syn scully mac trotafax lovesdubs wild_thing lilacs yerusalyimbobsgirldawnmackincassiline maximumflash granny linda sortafairytale.
OK, I'm going to try this again. Stupid MS Explorer quit on me when I was doing this earlier.
First of all, you can get some info just by checking out my profile and 'home' page (such as it is).
I like dark colors. I like simple, functional things, even if the items' function is to be decorative. I'm not into lacey or foofy type items. I am a bit of a gadget geek.
Music: I like many kinds. As far as pop music, I like everything from Indigo Girls to Eminem to Led Zepplin to Earth, Wind, and Fire. I do not have *any* recent (last four years) music cds.
I don't cook much. Only recently have plants in my care lived beyond the first month. I love animals with four or fewer legs, snakes included. I live with cats. Or they live with me. Whatever.
I hope that's enough.
queereality
wow, i'm sitting here at the bega library and the young girl sitting next to me saw me posting to a jw board and i am helping her understand the layout of this board.
she has been 'studying' for 6 years and has a lot of questions.
the local bros keep calling to encourage her meeting attendence etc... please give the young lady a warm welcome and help her once/if she registers.. i have recomended randy watters 'freeminds' site too.. g'day julie!!
Welcome Judith! Come on in and make yourself comfortable.
how would you try to introduce crisis of conscience to your family.
it is so well known as oppostate and immediately brushed off.
i would like to get my wife and her family to read coc.
I would suggest starting out with a different book. There are many out there. Steven Hassans' first book Combatting Cult Mind Control is informative but never specifically mentions the JWs. Even JWs say cults are bad. They are searching for something and this book might help them to spot and avoid some bad groups. If they happen to recognize a group they used to be in that's fine.
IMHO
queereality
what's the most unbelievable thing you've ever heard while you were a witness?
one thing that stands out for me is being told that i would never go thru junior or high school because the end was right around the corner.....what about you??
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What's the most unbelievable thing you've ever heard while you were a Witness?
I remember one circut assembly, I walked by a MS from my cong. I was holding a science-fiction book that I had been reading. He scolded me for reading sci-fi because alien life is against the bible. I replied that the bible does not discuss life on other planets. He told me that it did and that I shouldn't read those kinds of books. I asked him if he had seen my sister and then I excused myself to go find her. I did not change my reading habits.
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well, i'm a little on the jealous side.. i always here of posters here who seem to personally know each other....of coarse not most.....but many.
just curious who knows who in the flesh?..........well partially covered flesh anyways.. when you meet them for the first time....are they way different than you expected?.
I definitely have met:
SanFranciscoJim
JWinSF
Introspection
Dungbeetle
truman
snowball
I might have met:
D wiltshire
and a couple more, but I'm very bad at remembering names.
queereality
i had to twist some arms to get this book.... "the sword and the spirit (jehovah's witnesses expose the 3rd reich)" - wtbts (1997):.
i'll just list what the book says about itself on page 3:.
"this is the text of the slide lecture presented at the united states holocaust museum, washington d.c., by james n. pellechia, associate editor of awake!
go to those defeated for the real story because they have nothing to hide.
I think that those who were defeated may twist things to their own ends.
They may wish to say that the only reason that they lost was because the other side cheated. They may accuse the victors of various war crimes, esp while claiming to have fought honorably themselves.
I'm sure there are many things that both the winners and the losers would not be willing to admit to having done.
But I also think that if one wants to try to sift out what actually happened, researching all sides of the story is absolutely necessary.
queereality
here's a thought...in order to make three people whom you care about happy ,you had to sacrifice your own happiness, would you do it?.
bring it on....
As far as my situation, wife wants desperately to get back together...if I do that, I'm going to be miserable and wind up killing myself. I just don't love her. (We have a loooooong history) I suppose kids would be better off, but like you guys said, how can I make anyone else happy if I'm not?
I can tell you this: when I was a very young I wanted my parents to get a divorce -- as long as my dad got custody of us kids. My mother was emotionally disturbed and very difficult to live with. My parents stayed together. My dad was miserable. My sister and I decided that we would never have children -- we were not going to take the chance that we would put anyone through what we had to deal with. I was suicidal by the time I was 12. I'm now 36, my sister is 41 and neither of us has, or plans on having, children.
There are worse things than divorce for the adults and for the children. I think that it is good for your kids to see you going after fullfilment in your own life. This will give them the message that doing so is not just OK, but is very important.
queereality
