ladies i know i shouldn't really hit on this because i have no real understanding of what you go through when you are raped.
i just want to try and understand some of what is going on.
let me ask this q. do you believe that the elders do not want to report the rapes or they are told they cannot report the rapes from the gb?
Mimilly, so sorry you had to exerience so much abuse!!
Even though I am very detached from my experiences there are things that are beyond my control: ie. flashbacks and the fact I HATE BEING TOUCHED FROM BEHIND. By anyone, including my partner. Unless you've been there, it's impossible to truly understand. I have learned not to expect people to understand, but I do appreciate it when they try.
hi people its nice to meet you all.
i envy many of you here who had nice relationships with your family before family ties were cut.
because you had such strong relationships with family members i guess i can understand your angry feelings towards jws.
Oh my god, you are a good story teller. It was sad at the end, but the earlier parts..I've never laughed at any post on this web site as much as yours! You remind me totally of my younger brother who used to screech songs out of key on purpose to upstage the meetings, climb out windows, etc. etc.
That's Entertainment!
"maybe this time he'll change"
"maybe this time he'll change"
machismoa global problem
If my older brother and I (ages 18 and 15) had not taken our Witness mother away from her abusive husband, she'd still be with him. No question about it...and that was '76!
I asked her a couple of years ago,"If you married again, and your Witness husband hit you, what would you do?"
"Hope that it wouldn't happen again!"
Her Witness faith didn't help educate her 20 years later!
simon's forum has brought people together who would never connect otherwise.
i received this letter from holland today...
dear donald
Simon's forum has brought people together who would never connect otherwise. I received this letter from Holland today... dear donald first i introduce myself i live in holland and i was one of jehovah's witnesses today i read your answer http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=33569&site=3 and i found you very brave to write the book, it must have been very difficult. if the jehovah's witnesses say that you cant bring your brother into court , than they did not understand the bible text about this cases. i hope all abusers of jehovah's witnesses will go to court soon,because i shame for the organisation in this way. i think that everyone of the witnesses who closes his eyes and ears for what is going on, is an abuser too. jezus gave us the example to open our mouth about the wrongdoing. a great criminal has let Johannus executed for telling the true about the sexual wrongdoing of him . i think that all people who shut their mouth because they are afraid of the elder and other witnesses, they have no personality at all, and they give others a very bad impression about the new personality that we should have through studying jehovah gods word, the bible. i my self am disfellowshipped as well, since a half year, and i have noticed that the elder here don't believe in the cleansing power of jezus blood at all, so they put themselves above the creator, they were afraid of me, because i opened always my mouth with a answer from bible, after years of avoiding me, they found for themselves a reason for disfellowshipping me. first i felt that i was psychological, social en spiritual abused, but i think their problem is bigger then mine and their sins are bigger, because of they are blind guides, blinds can only guide other blinds, but not the people who can see. i hope you'll stay strong, and i know the great god helps you greetings from ______ holland
the more meetings you go to the more drivel you hear.
elder's meetings were terrible because all you ever did was gossip about how everyone wasn't doing this or that.
meetings for field service sucked.....enough said on that.
I can't believe a lot of you thought the Watchtower study was the most boring...oh the public talk for sure. I used to think it was a holiday when the public talk speaker got sick or something. Imagine how much things would be lived up if they let sisters give talks that were more than 3 or four minutes as a side show!
this is to alert all folks in canada and the united states that a civil court case will be going to trial on september 8, 2002 in the greater toronto area.
again this case is a civil case and not a criminal case.
the case involves one vicki boer who now resides in eastern canada.
Of course, if this case is the first of its kind in Canada, YOU KNOW it's going to get a lot of attention both from the press and inside the Witnesses. The first thing they'll probably say is we shouldn't be taking our "brothers" to court. Unfortunately this ideology protects predators and reabuses victims.
this is to alert all folks in canada and the united states that a civil court case will be going to trial on september 8, 2002 in the greater toronto area.
again this case is a civil case and not a criminal case.
the case involves one vicki boer who now resides in eastern canada.
Tell Vicki Boer that my heart goes out to her and I'll be praying for her!
ok---a bit of background first.
there is this older lady that has been in my parents congregation ever since we moved to fl (14 yrs ago).
she was the sweetest, funniest, quirkiest woman ever.
There is no easy answer. I struggled with it for years. In the 18 years since I left, there have been many Witnesses who have died, where I wanted to go to the funeral. I only went to one, 8 years ago, and two funeral home visitations for others.
At the first visitation, I had just left the Witnesses and was really f@#!ed up. A Sister came up to me and asked me something and I said, "I don't want to talk about it." Then I left. I wasn't ready for this kind of public appearance.
Ten years later I went to a funeral at a Kingdom Hall (because the deceased had been exceptionally nice to me) and I was ready. Nobody really talked to me which was fine. I wasn't dissassociated yet. You could tell some were surprised to see me. Others didn't even recognize me. I listened to the talk...well, sort of. I felt like I was visiting Mars.
Finally I got the fear of attending a Witness function out of my system. I always wondered if I'd sit there and go "I've go to run back." The opposite in fact happened. I had a kind of peace about it.
I still won't go to Witness funerals as a rule only because I've been very public about my life and the notoriety of my presence might be upstage the real reason I went: to show sympathy. It ain't worth it in my case. I send cards/flowers.
Finally the fact that I'd have to plan my Witness mother's funeral plagued me for years until I did something about it. [all four of her kids are either disf or disas.] I discussed it with my mother and she agreed to all my plans. I prepaid for a funeral at a funeral home. There will be no Elder giving a talk. [Imagine an Elder comforting us who could not talk to us!! Ridiculous] No newspaper announcement until after the funeral takes place. I don't want no surprises. People will be informed, invited to attend the service. People can go up and remember her. In respect for her faith, I will ask her Witness female friend, if she'd like to read a few scriptures. [She can wear a head covering if she'd feel better]. This way the children of my mother, their feelings are of paramount consideration. My mother feels better about this plan too.
i almost didn't have time to read the morning's paper, but a banner at the top of the front page entitled "cheerleading for jehovah" got my attention.
interesting comments in the toronto star can be read here.
the article has obvious input from the society and seems to be a pr type move in light of recent bad canadian press (calgary blood case) and likely future canadian programs exposing jws and child abuse.. interesting comments:.
Sorry to be repetitive, but I thought I'd rework my post here earlier into a letter for the Toronto Star. I just sent it. What do you think? Donald Editor: I thought the article, Faith & The City was a pleasant description of three Christian girls in the city with one major exception: "they use magazines...featuring such articles as "Protect Your Children" (from pedophiles and "homosexual perversions)." Unfortunately that coloured the whole piece. The fact that a magazine title would lump criminals who torture children with adults of a particular sexual orientation is insensitive at the very least. That's not those 3 girls fault. That's what they are taught to use. But if someone handed me a magazine with that kind of heading, she'd hear a thing or two--I don't care how much she looked like Audrey Hepburn. On the other hand, I might make a trade if they'd accept this homosexual writer's copy of my memoir, Father's Touch. I could even call it: Faith and The Country": eleven years a victim of sexual abuse within a Jehovah's Witness family in southwestern Ontario. Donald D'Haene www.fatherstouch.com (author web site)
Edited by - morrisamb on 31 July 2002 8:40:15
i almost didn't have time to read the morning's paper, but a banner at the top of the front page entitled "cheerleading for jehovah" got my attention.
interesting comments in the toronto star can be read here.
the article has obvious input from the society and seems to be a pr type move in light of recent bad canadian press (calgary blood case) and likely future canadian programs exposing jws and child abuse.. interesting comments:.
I thought the article was pleasant enough but these few words:
articles as "Protect Your Children" (from pedophiles and "homosexual perversions)
unfortunately colour the whole piece. The fact that they lump the two together is insensitive at the very least. That's not those 3 girls fault. That's what they are taught. But if someone handed me a magazine with that kind of heading, they'd hear a thing or two. I don't care if she looked like Audrey Hepburn.
