justmom - you are a brave woman
edit: I am reminded of st john of the cross' dark night of the soul and this is true of the situation one sometimes finds onself in as an xjws whether one is a believer or not.
I'd like to know how people here cope?
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What Many Have Still Not Learned Since Leaving the WT
by justmom inhello to you all this evening.
so many here have left the organization or been put out/disfellowshipped for so many unjust reasons.
losing family, friends, jobs, even sanity at times!.
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Candace Conti's Attorney Takes the Stage
by Juan Viejo2 inrick simons takes the stage and tells why the candace conti lawsuit was the right case at the right time against the watchtower.. this is the first of at least three videos documenting mr. simons' presentation on july 14, 2012. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffywyvy9anm.
last segments of this program should be up within a few hours.. .
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waiting for part 8
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Candace Conti's Attorney Takes the Stage
by Juan Viejo2 inrick simons takes the stage and tells why the candace conti lawsuit was the right case at the right time against the watchtower.. this is the first of at least three videos documenting mr. simons' presentation on july 14, 2012. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffywyvy9anm.
last segments of this program should be up within a few hours.. .
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thanks juan. I'm wondering how to get my family to watch. I could say the end is coming faster than you think, please watch and tell me if you agree
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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NC it takes time to absorb new ideas and concepts. Honestly my head often hurts trying to understand how scientific terms are used and how they differ from a commonsensical approach. it may be worth studying up on probability and how it relates to possibility and impossibility. on the other hand binadub's illustration is quite plain and easy to understand but imo perhaps you need to put aside your confirmation biased specs.
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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NC I need to read up more on the ID being taught in schools situation in the US. Is it taught as a separate science subject or is it taught in ordinary science classes?
regarding my position on whether or not ID is not creationism I want to say that I understand binadub's position and was trying for myself to see where her disagreement with ID as creationism lay. She makes valid points about randomness and these coincide with some of my own feelings about it (randomness that is). I also have a strong objection to meaninglessness. Whether or not ID is or isn't creationism is irrelevant to me.
cofty thanks for being honest.
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Candace Conti's Attorney Takes the Stage
by Juan Viejo2 inrick simons takes the stage and tells why the candace conti lawsuit was the right case at the right time against the watchtower.. this is the first of at least three videos documenting mr. simons' presentation on july 14, 2012. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffywyvy9anm.
last segments of this program should be up within a few hours.. .
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eagerly waiting for part 7
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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cofty - I was referring to your post on pg7 post 4461. it seems to me that somehow your readings on ID backed up by 53 million google results coalse in the wiki definition there nontheless. so in other words in all of your research you did not come across any of the quotes binadub supplies?
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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NC, bts - binadub has already defined the particular angle of atheism she is setting in oppposition to the particular ID that she is defending- the sort of atheism that subscribes to the "randomness" view. Does the randomness atheism view subscribe to the view that aliens have interjected themselves into evolution on earth? If it does then I guess you could say that one can be a randomenss believing atheist and an IDer at the same time but I don't think this is so.
cofty your angle on refuting theistic evolution seems to hinge on the meaninglessness of suffering. am I correct?
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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let me rephrase bts' quote
claiming an intelligent designer, whether supernatural or not, can go beyond the claim that God is the oringinator of the universe. It can claim further intelligent agency since that time as being responsible for explaining the world as it is. - BTS
(sorry - cant take off the italics) presumably because it can do this it is so hotly debated by the other side and imo this is a good enough reason to debate it. However it is stretching it a bit to say categorically that something is so in order to silence a minority view. Doesn't a minority view make the discussion more interesting or does one have to have the discussion going one's way for it to be interesting?
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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bindub - I understand you
cofty, this is one of the reasons wiki is not such a good place to go for info to back up one's perspective. Imo if it is the case that neo-conservatives have assimilated ID into their ideology and propaganda this does not mean that we must accept that ID is synonymous with creationism. Although it is true that for many people ID is creationsim and that they believe this strongly. As binadub has pointed out ID also has an existence apart from creationism, a non religious one, and it is this aspect that she seems to be arguing for, although this has a weaker modern application. also in arguing for something one is not necessarily stating one's own personal belief.