was that an e-mail from cedars to steven unthank? sounds like the kind of language cedars uses edit: sorry couldn't resist
even if it was from cedars I'd like to raise my glass to steven unthank for his tenacity
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I'm posting here an informative email from STEVEN UNTHANK
by AndersonsInfo inyesterday, a jwn poster e-mailed me asking if i would post on this discussion board his recent email to steven unthank and also post stevens reply.
the reason for the request is because the poster has need to remain completely anonymous.
i agreed to share the email because i knew you would find stevens reply informative and interesting.. .
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Not meaning to sound sexist : In general are women more emotional/feel good about religion,and men more proof/doctrinal in their acceptance ?
by smiddy ini`m just speaking from my own experience here ,and it has occured to me that over the 33 years i was a witness and in the six congrgations i was a part of , except for a few exceptions, the majority of sisters in the congregations did not have a grasp of the so called deeper things of god,according to wt theology, sure they could run off " bible topics for discussion" sermons but very few could take a discussion any further than that.whereas i was aware that males seemed more likely to delve deeper into, not only the scriptures,but also the wt interpretations as a whole.
don`t get me wrong a few women left me for dead in their comprehension of topics ,but i`m just saying overall i found this to be the case ... my experience... smiddy.
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lol villagegirl - hi
"men think while women feel" interesting. I guess one can also see this phrase as being used to order/command men and women what to do. edit: in fact following along from what you are saying, heaven forbid if men feel while women think.
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Not meaning to sound sexist : In general are women more emotional/feel good about religion,and men more proof/doctrinal in their acceptance ?
by smiddy ini`m just speaking from my own experience here ,and it has occured to me that over the 33 years i was a witness and in the six congrgations i was a part of , except for a few exceptions, the majority of sisters in the congregations did not have a grasp of the so called deeper things of god,according to wt theology, sure they could run off " bible topics for discussion" sermons but very few could take a discussion any further than that.whereas i was aware that males seemed more likely to delve deeper into, not only the scriptures,but also the wt interpretations as a whole.
don`t get me wrong a few women left me for dead in their comprehension of topics ,but i`m just saying overall i found this to be the case ... my experience... smiddy.
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I agree with konceptual adding that it is the language one needs to pay attention to first and foremost. A language can inherently say what is superior and it may say that unemotional theoreticising is intellectual and good whilst other language is a poor relation. The two, however, may complement one another and have strengths and weaknesses in particular situations. For example in a crises an intellectual approach may seem to be more useful but on the other hand an emotional response may bring one out of the situation more effectively and vice versa.
Watchtower language imo seeks to contain and control to an inordinate unacceptable degree. In that environment neither women nor men flourish. WT's seemingly noble aim is to make the organisation flourish but in the long run, because of the containment, life is being suffocated. This scenario has a very long and distinguished career beginning with mother earth and her painful fight to release her offspring from containment by her suffocating lover Uranus.
edit: the advantage of looking at this question through taking a language approach is that one can actively stop the same old mantra's from taking over one's thinking process to focus on what is not part of language. Saying this because getting educated is not everyone's cup of tea and the answer is very often quite nearby at your very side and does not require lots of books.
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IMPROMPTU APOSTAFEST in DFW area this Sunday Feb 24 1pm
by Terry insorry for the late notice.. this is an informal get together.
barbecue and beverages guaranteed.
all else you bring yourself.. .
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I'll be there in spirit
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Bipolar Landlady kicks me out!
by Terry infun times.. a year and a month have passed since i moved in to the house where my cousin deb and her husband bobby live.. i had a small but comfortable room, tv, etc.. a nice cozy family situation, you might say....right?.
i pay $600 a month to defray expenses.. hunky dory.. sure.
until the first few eruptions!.
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wasblind, thanks for understanding what I was trying to say.
Terry, i apologise for going too far. i am glad you are bouncing back. - flowers for your new home
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Books that make you go hmm....
by jgnat init's occurred to me that i have been reshaped by the books i have read, taking my new knowledge for granted, and forgetting that those around me have not been on the same journey.
as a consequence sparks fly, as iron sharpening iron, as we strive to understand each other (or to insist that we are not the same).
there are a few books that stand out, as i refer to them over and over again.
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I'm reading a great book at the moment and it definitely makes me go hmm...
The Rhetoric of the Body from Ovid to Shakespeare by Lynne Enterline. This book is a great read if only for its lengthy discussion of Apollonion narcissism and misogny of which Apollo himself is often blissfully unaware in Ovid.
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Bipolar Landlady kicks me out!
by Terry infun times.. a year and a month have passed since i moved in to the house where my cousin deb and her husband bobby live.. i had a small but comfortable room, tv, etc.. a nice cozy family situation, you might say....right?.
i pay $600 a month to defray expenses.. hunky dory.. sure.
until the first few eruptions!.
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thankyou sooner. thanks for replying Terry and explaining more about your cousin Debbie. I truly am impressed at how multitasking she is. I must be a nutcase for thinking she and her hubby also sound very sexy, adventurous and loving.
I've done 45km (15 miles) on my bike and I was whacked (I must be a nutcase and mentally ill). so you took your 17yr old for a 40 mile ride and this was her 3rd attempt on the bike. She tumbled and bruised her knees but is smiling and singing about it whilst her mum ferries her away in the car. I would be singing and smiling then and I must also be a very negative person to hope that her mum doesn't let you take her bike riding again.
edit: I am also returning to the KH with my family - I can't get out of here soon enough. thanks for helping me make my resolution. prasie Jah
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Bipolar Landlady kicks me out!
by Terry infun times.. a year and a month have passed since i moved in to the house where my cousin deb and her husband bobby live.. i had a small but comfortable room, tv, etc.. a nice cozy family situation, you might say....right?.
i pay $600 a month to defray expenses.. hunky dory.. sure.
until the first few eruptions!.
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you have many good people in your life, Terry. I'm impressed your "bipolar landlady" even washed your clothes. to tell you the truth I also would have told you to fuck off if you had sent me an e-mail like that and I'm certainly not bipolar, nor do I have any kind of mental disorder.
The truth is we can no longer make choices that will enable us to live as freely as we did before. But to continue to enjoy a measure of freedom it is important to be able to take a cool rational look at our options and to work with them as far as poss. Take charge of your guilty feelings by talking to someone professional as this may help to achieve some detachment from them and then to be able to engage with people like your "manipulative" cousin (who are around to help) to see that even something that seems manipulative to you can have less emotional resonance and be taken up in a fresh pragmatic way.
the way I see it if we want to be cared for in a detached objective environment then we are thinking institutional care and this is very expensive. Family care comes with more subjective relationships like you have described in your dealings with your family (I'm afraid this is still how it is coming across to me). Family are not objective professionals but they will put their heart and soul into whatever they do for one and there is nothing as precious as this.
Some sort of guidance counselling or arbitration could help in this situation as I really do like the sound of your family and your place in it - kudos to all of you.
edit: I'm assuming that none of the family you have mentioned are witnesses any longer but that perhaps carry scars from having been so in the past
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Bipolar Landlady kicks me out!
by Terry infun times.. a year and a month have passed since i moved in to the house where my cousin deb and her husband bobby live.. i had a small but comfortable room, tv, etc.. a nice cozy family situation, you might say....right?.
i pay $600 a month to defray expenses.. hunky dory.. sure.
until the first few eruptions!.
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Terry, your family are the best people to turn to. best wishes to you. Is there any possiblity of mending fences with your relatives - debbie and bobby?
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Bipolar Landlady kicks me out!
by Terry infun times.. a year and a month have passed since i moved in to the house where my cousin deb and her husband bobby live.. i had a small but comfortable room, tv, etc.. a nice cozy family situation, you might say....right?.
i pay $600 a month to defray expenses.. hunky dory.. sure.
until the first few eruptions!.
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oh dear