well this is great, i have just come off the phone to the police in tamworth staffordshire about this damming wt, and they say it's already known to them.
we have been told to contact pc 14..... tomorrow and to expect a call from the diversity unit and they will need to call round to gather evidence regarding the wt mags calling us mentally diseased..... .
hhg.
cedars I was just editing and updating my post above with this
edit: re the charity commission. The difficulty here is that many people do view Jehovahs witnesses as a force for good especially in these troubled times. for example their morality, the many positive male role models they provide in the community etc. But the question is - does the bad fallout cancel out the good beneficial aspects.
and yes I guess as taxpayers we need to think about how best to have our money spent
well this is great, i have just come off the phone to the police in tamworth staffordshire about this damming wt, and they say it's already known to them.
we have been told to contact pc 14..... tomorrow and to expect a call from the diversity unit and they will need to call round to gather evidence regarding the wt mags calling us mentally diseased..... .
hhg.
I think hairyhegoat and cantleave have real life experiences that can be used as evidence of harm done. It would be interesting to see if the CPS would view such as evidence.
Also I hope I don't sound dismissive of the momentum we have gained in publicising the WTS extreme measures to silence dissenters. after all aren't we simply putting section 29j into practice?
edit: re the charity commission. The difficulty here is that many people do view Jehovahs witnesses as a force for good especially in these troubled times. for example their morality, the many positive male role models they provide in the community etc. But the question is - does the bad fallout cancel out the good beneficial aspects.
well this is great, i have just come off the phone to the police in tamworth staffordshire about this damming wt, and they say it's already known to them.
we have been told to contact pc 14..... tomorrow and to expect a call from the diversity unit and they will need to call round to gather evidence regarding the wt mags calling us mentally diseased..... .
hhg.
I think the para begins with the point I am making - do you have a copy of the para in question as I don't at the moment and have a meeting to attend this evening
well this is great, i have just come off the phone to the police in tamworth staffordshire about this damming wt, and they say it's already known to them.
we have been told to contact pc 14..... tomorrow and to expect a call from the diversity unit and they will need to call round to gather evidence regarding the wt mags calling us mentally diseased..... .
hhg.
cedars I have read DT's thread and as much as i would like to arrive at your conclusions the fact is that the wt article clearly says the opposite by highlighting the courage of Jehu not his actions which it explicitly says christians would not engage in.
I have been trying to get hold of the article so that I can read it in full but have failed so far.
well this is great, i have just come off the phone to the police in tamworth staffordshire about this damming wt, and they say it's already known to them.
we have been told to contact pc 14..... tomorrow and to expect a call from the diversity unit and they will need to call round to gather evidence regarding the wt mags calling us mentally diseased..... .
hhg.
I think it is worth keeping in mind what the law in the UK allows religions to say and do and then think about how to frame our concerns to the police and charity commission. wiki has something to say on this that may be helpful. i will try to find the article
edit: okay here is something
The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 amended the Public Order Act 1986 by adding Part 3A. That Part says, "A person who uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, is guilty of an offence if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred." The Part protects freedom of expression by stating in Section 29J:
Nothing in this Part shall be read or given effect in a way which prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult or abuse of particular religions or the beliefs or practices of their adherents, or of any other belief system or the beliefs or practices of its adherents, or proselytising or urging adherents of a different religion or belief system to cease practising their religion or belief system.
my understanding of the above is that the WTS can defend and justify its mentally diseased epithets by showing police what apostates say about Jehovahs witnesses unless of course you can demonstrate harmful intent that goes beyond the above and can demonstrate harm done
or am I mistaken
Britain is very committed to religious freedom as the above (section 29j) shows
i've had a goal to drink my first alcohol this year and i decided that i would take the plunge while in my hotel.
i chose a tiny bottle of jacob's creek and retired to my room.. i had two sips and had to stop.
seriously vile.
I'm not a fan of red wine in general but sangria is nice
no,i am not talking about being "mentally diseased",lol.
it's just wonderful to allow myself to have my own thoughts and opinions.. i'm still around family and some acquaintances who are witnesses.
and i cringe every time i hear a phrase or belief ,that now i realize is totally wacky.. for example: relatives talking about a newly reinstated man's unbelieving wife.
as a witness I never got out of the habit of referring to the december break as the christmas holidays and every time a JW would correct me. well now as an exiting jw I still say christmas holidays or christmas break but laugh when I am corrected and it is nice to see Jehovahs witneses joining in the laughter.
yes emptyinside it is great to be carefree
hi, peeplezs,.
down over the years i have experienced plenty of discouragement and cynicism about faith and the existence of a god who cares for us.
if i allowed myself to dwell on those things alone, i suppose that i too would be feeling hopeless and cynical and would be just waiting until my time is up.. however, i don't feel that way at all.
lol at leo
according to myth there was a time, in the hazy distant past, when women called the shots and because they were all things earthly they scared the bejesus out of guys. Guys found new impetus by taking to the skies, raining down thunder and lightening - women took refuge in the earth and nothing was heard from them for a while
islam more lenient on apostates than the wtbts!.
this morning i came across this thought provoking comment in a cnn news article:.
harris zafar, national spokesperson of the ahmadiyya muslim community usa, does not mince words on the subject, stating in a huffington post opinion piece that "islam prescribes absolutely no punishment for apostasy.".
imo, in a nutshell, Islam allows dissent and change from within - Jehovahs witnesses do not.
hi, peeplezs,.
down over the years i have experienced plenty of discouragement and cynicism about faith and the existence of a god who cares for us.
if i allowed myself to dwell on those things alone, i suppose that i too would be feeling hopeless and cynical and would be just waiting until my time is up.. however, i don't feel that way at all.
wonderful experiences lonewolf - thanks for letting us in on your family.
animals and humans can have a close reciprocal relationship that is often reflected in the non "civilised" world. This sort of reciprocity and symbiosis can seem shocking and alien when told from a particular point of view (as in cofty's article) but taken side by side with your description of nature we can take in both viewpoints and be filled with awe.
