Posts by soft+gentle

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Wrecked my car yesterday

by NewChapter in

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the other driver turned left in front of me and i hit him hard.

my car is a total mess.

i'm not sure if they are going to total it.

soft+gentle

how awful that you lost your car. I'm so sorry

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Steven Pinker: The Better Angels of Our Nature

by Gorbatchov in

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good news from steven pinker, in the better angels of our nature.. conclusion: the world has become less violent and more peacefull.. that's a great perception and good news, isn't it?.

and contradicts the dark perception of the world getting worse all the time from the kingdom hall platform.. gorby.

Vacation Photos!!

by Berengaria in

juni's thread got me looking at my pics from europe may 2011. a trip i feel like i waited my entire life for.

i posted this one on the other thread, but i'll post again for context.. .

there's a kitty in here!.

hi, i'm a new member that enjoys civil debate, so i thought i'd just throw a topic out there.. if we take the standard, contemporary judeo-christian god (all-knowing, all powerful, and perfectly good in every possible way) and attempt to incorporate free will, we end up with a contradiction.

an all knowing being knows everything that has occured, is occuring and will occur, if otherwise then we can not consider this being to know all.

if god knows all that will happen, then he knows our decisions, as well as the outcomes of those decisions.

soft+gentle

man oh man

God does not know the future! If he knew the future he would not be a God of love. The future has not happened so God cannot know it. When a doctor gives fore-knowledge according to how a persons treatment will turn out he only can base this on his wisdom as a doctor. God bases what he says regarding the future on his wisdom. He is almighty so he can also steer the outcome. When God created adam and eve he did not know how they would act nor did he program them to act a certain way. He knew the possibilities. But he could find a Just way to handle whatever came about. Any action god takes must be in harmony with his personality.

As usual people misunderstand the words in the bible and make it say what they want.

Thats my take anyhaa

I agree that love needs to form part of the argument, it is just that it is quite awkward how to understand this. the Greeks had a God called chronus which=time and was represented as a snake in a circular shape. In this form God can be seen to be past and future and be present to us thus satisfying the need for love to be part of his personality. But then this sets our own perspective of time as not being in tune with God's. If we can accept that our view of time is different to Gods then we can call on his wisdom as a wisdom of possibilities. I can just feel that theuberone is going to tell me I'm talking crap - go on uber, I dare you.

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Please dont be guilty of committing the sins you have indicted the WatchTower of

by mankkeli in

please dont be guilty of the sins you have indicted the wt of commiting.

something is common to all on this discussion board, we are quick at castigating the watchtower.

although, i understand your reasons for doing so, but i will warn you not to be guilt of the same offense the wt had committed.

soft+gentle

Mankelli if you are a real person which I think you are can i make a suggestion?

My suggestion is to take a look at another poster's experiences on this board because you remind me of him. His name is hillary_step. He was also accused of being a troll, of being an agent of the WTS, of being arrogant etc. He became very angry with posters here but somehow his anger and revilement of posters together with the unrelenting pressure he received from the board gave birth (over time) to a pearl of great beauty. Those who were on the receivng end of his wit, anger and sarcasm will disagree about the pearl aspect .

I have spent hours reading his story.

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Mankkeli, a couple of simple questions for you

by Tempered in

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i haven't read your entire story, but some of your thread topics/questions have piqued my interest.

on your thread "how long can one continue as an unbelieving jw?

" you made the statement that you are currently serving as an elder.. may i ask how long you have been serving as such and how old you are?.

soft+gentle

so are you saying that you have decided not to make an exit. if that is the case - cool. I myself am mostly in some days.

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Where is awakened@Gilead?

by mankkeli in

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a@g has not posted for some time, i hope he is sound, does anyone heard from him?..

soft+gentle

A&G's videos are great

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Mankkeli, a couple of simple questions for you

by Tempered in

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i haven't read your entire story, but some of your thread topics/questions have piqued my interest.

on your thread "how long can one continue as an unbelieving jw?

" you made the statement that you are currently serving as an elder.. may i ask how long you have been serving as such and how old you are?.

soft+gentle

you have a choice mankelli - play out your exit in public or play it out in private. I think you have raised some valid issues - keep going. most of what you have said sounds kosher to me. okay you do come accross as jugemental but aren't we all ? Also please remember you do not have to answer any personal questions here. It is better to take a walk than to answer personal questions.

edit: outlaw, sounds like you are talking out your own backside careful it doesn't catch fire

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Free Will and Foreknowledge

by TheUbermensch in

hi, i'm a new member that enjoys civil debate, so i thought i'd just throw a topic out there.. if we take the standard, contemporary judeo-christian god (all-knowing, all powerful, and perfectly good in every possible way) and attempt to incorporate free will, we end up with a contradiction.

an all knowing being knows everything that has occured, is occuring and will occur, if otherwise then we can not consider this being to know all.

if god knows all that will happen, then he knows our decisions, as well as the outcomes of those decisions.

soft+gentle

I agree sizemik - that philosophy looks for the questions to ask the answers for. For example one of the answers posed often on jwn is that God knows the past and the future and yet still that he allows free will. Well if he allows free will then we have to question whether or not he know the present. I suggest that a way out of this conundrum is to pose the possibilty that he does not know the present because the present is being lived.

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Free Will and Foreknowledge

by TheUbermensch in

hi, i'm a new member that enjoys civil debate, so i thought i'd just throw a topic out there.. if we take the standard, contemporary judeo-christian god (all-knowing, all powerful, and perfectly good in every possible way) and attempt to incorporate free will, we end up with a contradiction.

an all knowing being knows everything that has occured, is occuring and will occur, if otherwise then we can not consider this being to know all.

if god knows all that will happen, then he knows our decisions, as well as the outcomes of those decisions.

soft+gentle

all knowingness is not a feature I would attribute to God and I always want to argue against the assertion that he is all knowing. I think it can be asserted more strongly that he knows more than humans but then we would also have to allow that humans know some things God doesn't know or that humans can teach him some things - this latter point would allow a certain amount of freedom to humans.

But I think God's all-knowingness fulfills an imaginative and emotional function and what does philosophy have to say about this? Hardly anything I suspect