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  Latest Study Article: Was Jephthah surprised at his daughter coming out?

  by garbonzo in

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  paragraph 15: "he vowed that if god gave ammon into jephthah's hand, the first one to come out of the door when he returned home would be jehovah's.

  as jephthah returned home from subduing ammon, his daughter came running to meet him.

  (judg.

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  Elder's wives

  by Zordino in

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  2. friends

  i still go to meetings (sometimes) mostly to acompany my wife and kids.

  i have known of jw friends of mine that have gone to elder's for family problems, dispute's with other cult member's or those hemroid's that just won't clear up.

  whatever.... i personally never ever told an elder or elder's a stitch of info about my personal life or trouble's etc.

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  Zordino

  Tornapart, I agree. Not all Elder's or their wives spill the Beans and have some dignity. There are a good amount that take their responsibility very seriously. I think the wives can keep secrets better than them! I should have named this thread, "Some Elders have a big mouth" instead LoL. But Still, I would never take that chance and tell anyone my private stuff.

  zordino, I agree, some elders do have a big mouth. We also have an elder who is like that. He would share private info on the ministry. One out of 7 elders in this congo is not bad).

  imo what spreads confidential personal information about oneself is the climate of disclosure the WTS cultivates. So if a brother or sis has a problem they are encouraged through the literature to share it with mature ones quickly before it affects their spirituality. This usually means that the one who brought you into the truth will be the one who first hears about the problem (or your best friend). He or she will then tell the individual to speak to an elder. Meanwhile the study conductor may share the information with another person and so on...

  In my experience half the congregation generally knows about something before it makes its way to an elder and the whole congregation generally knows before the elder's wife get to know. When the info eventually get to an elder he usually warns the person to keep it confidential but by this time the congregation are already gossiping. I blame the climate of disclosure and fear for one's spirituality that the WTS fosters.
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  Elder's wives

  by Zordino in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i still go to meetings (sometimes) mostly to acompany my wife and kids.

  i have known of jw friends of mine that have gone to elder's for family problems, dispute's with other cult member's or those hemroid's that just won't clear up.

  whatever.... i personally never ever told an elder or elder's a stitch of info about my personal life or trouble's etc.

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  I think it's an exaggeration - imo elders like to keep things to themselves and do so very successfully. Even when fading elders and x-elders come on here they don't really share private info about members of the flock. this is my impression anyway and I think it probably will be challenged quite a bit.
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  Goodbye, everyone.

  by Chemical Emotions in

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  2. friends

  some of you were really nice.

  some of you were really mean to me, and at this point in my life i can't handle such meanness.

  i thought this would be my one place to truly express my feelings without too much mocking or insults from people who i thought were nicer, but i was wrong.

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  chemical emotions - I posted this on another thread

  people make throwaway comments on this board and these comments are then understandably taken very seriously if the person asking for help is in a bad place. This happens in real life too - but at least then you can see who is making the comment and you can evaluate their facial expression. A young person would probably say what do you know about me you middle-aged so and so and promptly forget about their comment. I tell my daughter to say this in her mind all the time when elderly and middle-aged authoritarians upset her. If she thinks that they are partly saying something wise and useful then take that on board but throw away the rest.

  the wts taught us thought control didn't they - even as babies. This is still a useful skill to use against those who upset us inordinately.
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  I feel sad when someone relatively new on this board signs off because they have been offended by some posters comments

  by smiddy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  many people who" become jw`s" through the ministry are people who are , at the time , in a vulnerable state.

  { lets face it had you been in your right mind you would never have accepted it right ?}.

  many of the people who are" born in" are by that very fact vulnerable they never had a chance and were indoctrinated from an early age .. of course their going to have a lot of issues to deal with that history shows can take many years to shake off,if at all.. all i`m saying is i think we should give people a lot more space,and allow them to see the bigger picture that we can show them on this site,give them time to absorb the information thats available on this site,some of the things you learn here is a bit much to take in at first,beleive me i`ve been their .

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  people make throwaway comments on this board and these comments are then understandably taken very seriously if the person asking for help is in a bad place. This happens in real life too - but at least then you can see who is making the comment and you can evaluate their facial expression. A young person would probably say what do you know about me you middle-aged so and so and promptly forget about their comment. I tell my daughter to say this in her mind all the time when elderly and middle-aged authoritarians upset her. If she thinks that they are partly saying something wise and useful then take that on board but throw away the rest.

  the wts taught us thought control didn't they - even as babies. This is still a useful skill to use against those who upset us inordinately.
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  WTF? Steven Untank's money accounts suddenly closed!!

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is weird?!

  i just came accross this on mr unthank's personal site: http://stevenunthank.wordpress.com/monies/i recently read something where the wts is, let's just say connected, to various institutions/companies to wield/get their way.....is this one or just coincidence?

  moniespersonal message from steven unthank.

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  Az - thanks for taking the time to read through my past posts, something I never do - lol. I have defended JWs in the past but I would do this for anyone as part of the critical thinking skills I am trying to develop.
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  WTF? Steven Untank's money accounts suddenly closed!!

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is weird?!

  i just came accross this on mr unthank's personal site: http://stevenunthank.wordpress.com/monies/i recently read something where the wts is, let's just say connected, to various institutions/companies to wield/get their way.....is this one or just coincidence?

  moniespersonal message from steven unthank.

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  soft+gentle i really wonder what motivates you? i spent the better part of today just reading thru your postings and you are at Worst a TROLL or at best a WTS APOLOGIST why dont you just leave your talking to be done at the back of your KH rather than writing trash and shite on otherwise serious discussions.YES i hear you say you have a right to voice the WT doctrine you hold so dear but make your statment and move on rather than continually posting the same apologies for that publishing corporation. Im giving you a fair chance to stop or tame your actions. NWT (Psalm 26:4) 4 I have not sat with men of untruth; And with those who hide what they are I do not come in. we are here because of WTS one way or another, so please no more tripe ok? Azazel ( i keep my id low because my little children are trapped in the JW and i want to save them asap) PS i just read your edit to that last post and thank you for your apology , but i still think your a Troll tho.

  az I went back to undo my apology edit after seeing your abusive post but the 30 mins deadline had passed. Keep your hat on - but I do understand you and wish you the best in trying to get your children out - I am in the same boat as you.
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  WTF? Steven Untank's money accounts suddenly closed!!

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is weird?!

  i just came accross this on mr unthank's personal site: http://stevenunthank.wordpress.com/monies/i recently read something where the wts is, let's just say connected, to various institutions/companies to wield/get their way.....is this one or just coincidence?

  moniespersonal message from steven unthank.

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  scenic viewer

  One case, against the Traralgon congregation? Hardly. Five separate Watchtower entities are involved here (all itemized several times in this forum) that are charged with 7 criminal counts each. That's a total of 35 criminal charges that Unthank has been successful in bringing against the Watchtower Society. There have been 4 court appearances to date, and all 35 criminal charges are still in place at this time.

  yet no police involvement. can we call them criminal charges if no governmental authority has laid the charges? Mr Unthank has made accusations (which he calls criminal charges) and these accusations are being heard in court.

  I have been keeping up with the case scenic viewer and i am as interested as you are but as Mr Unthank has already warned us that he intends to use JW theocratic warfare style tactics (in language at least) I shall be reading between the lines.

  edit: I agree that something has triggered this security and it could be that the bank and paypal have rules that try to keep business separate from private use. If money has been coming in to Mr unthank from various sources, it could be that they are simply questioning how the accounts are being used. there are so many prosaic explanations that could be considered first before concluding that the WTS is so interested in Mr unthank that they have influenced paypal and his bank to have his acounts frozen. I apologise for offering a not so prosiac explanation in suggesting that people are asking for their money back
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  WTF? Steven Untank's money accounts suddenly closed!!

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is weird?!

  i just came accross this on mr unthank's personal site: http://stevenunthank.wordpress.com/monies/i recently read something where the wts is, let's just say connected, to various institutions/companies to wield/get their way.....is this one or just coincidence?

  moniespersonal message from steven unthank.

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  bang on cue, cedars, with one of your stock one dimensional replies to me

  afraid I really cannnot stay to be an audience as I do have others things to do.
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  WTF? Steven Untank's money accounts suddenly closed!!

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is weird?!

  i just came accross this on mr unthank's personal site: http://stevenunthank.wordpress.com/monies/i recently read something where the wts is, let's just say connected, to various institutions/companies to wield/get their way.....is this one or just coincidence?

  moniespersonal message from steven unthank.

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  shamus

  I will be interested to read others opinions on what may have happened; some with more legal experience.

  so would I.