Posts by Moxy

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London Bethel

by Jim Dee in

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given the impending move from mill hill to derby or mk.

should the society ask brothers for additional donations?.

the conservative estimates are that they will get approx 193.5m for the site (inc bittacy hill) and the new greenfield site (whichever) wil cost less that 35m.

Moxy

africa? id very much like to hear details. speaking of which, what IS the deal with india. i havent much from there lately.

mox

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WT and Ghostbusters

by Moxy in

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the jw obsession with demons has been a theme of late, but i haven't heard much about the wt views on the physical processes actually involved in demonic activity.

ever heard of ectoplasm?

you know, like 'i've been slimed!

Moxy

dissapointing lack of response to this old post. bump up for shameless second try.

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Marking brothers and sisters

by jurs in

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a few weeks ago in the chat room, i learned that jw's didn't always mark their brothers and sisters.

i was baptized in 1994 and i believe that "marking" was done as early as that.

was this "marking" new light ?

Moxy

lol @ rich.

actually the 'marking' procedure went thru an adjustment sometime late 80's - early 90's i think. ill have to check it later.

mox

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WTBTS Innocent in Swaggart Case?

by troubled in

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awhile back, i saw information on another web site about the wtbts's involvement with the swaggart case.

the information was presented in a way that depicted the wtbts as involved with the swaggart case and, therefore, false religion.. at first, i was shocked.

however, i did some research on what an amicus curie is.

the subscriptions were cancelled 'as such,' as such being individual subscriptions mailed to the houses by the post obtained for set amounts. (remember the folded brown envelopes?) the arrangement changed to individual subscriptions sent to the cong.s along with the regular literature orders. the need to seperate these two types of orders became increasingly unclear as the arrival dates for the subs and the orders became closer and ultimately synced. the only difference was the time taken to attach all these labels to some of the cong magazine supply. eventually this was discontinued for all but non-publisher subscriptions (1999 or so?)
also, with regards to the change made in 1990, its a bit more than changing from a set donation to an unspecified donation, altho thats generally all that was understood by r&f. the need was stressed to completely divorce the donation from the literature. this is indicated partly in the letter but subsequent CO visits made this increasingly clear. eg the phrase 'to cover the costs of printing' which was so common beforehand became taboo. the opportunity for a donation was NOT to cover the costs of literature in any way (ostensibly), but was a simply a donation to the work that had no connection to the literature just handed to the householder other than that in followed it by about 3 seconds. additionally, it was forbidden to make any reference to the householder of the 'old' arrangement or of the previously suggested donation, as though the new voluntary donation was in any way replacing the old method. it was simply, 'fine, here's your literature without cost - pause - and by the way, on a completely unrelated topic, i might mention how our work is supported...'

mox

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Question re: REVELATION

by Amazing in

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recently i read some information that state the catholic church now admits that the apostle john definitely did not write the bible book of revelation.

also, another source stated that revelation may not be an 'inspired canonical' book.

rather, revelation may be the work of a raving lunatic imprisoned on patmos, who had illusions of grandeur, and may have been on drugs as he invented this fantasy we call also call apocalypse.

Moxy

excellent beatles parodies guys.

but i actually would like to hear about this issue. sounds interesting. it does seem odd that john never mentions the revelation in all the stuff that he was sposed to have written _afterward_ and it also apparantly fails miserably in a textual comparison with the gospel and epistles of john.

mox

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Did God create Adam to Live forever??

by bboyneko in

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as a jw i was taught god created adam to live forever, but the genesis account seems to say otherwise:.

well first theres this weird problem, the bible says god created man and woman on the same day, the sixth day.

genesis 1:.

Moxy

i believe if i were to argue this point, i would say that god intended to allow them to partake of the tree of life in time. i dont know if thats an official WT teaching but ive heard the speculation many times.

actually i was thinking about this too recently. always had a difficult time understand the difference between man and animals. why should death be a curse and an unnatural abomination on man and perfectly normal for animals when the two processes look so identical. seems like such an obvious thing that i would expect an explanation of it to be a bit more explicit than genesis, from which we are expected to conclude that man was created with everlasting life in view by the abscence of any mention to the contrary. and on the basis of a bunch on other inferences too i guess.

reading genesis (or the book of J) now, i dont think the author intended to convey the idea that man was created without death, but probably meant to describe the possibility of living forever, a possibility that was inevitably to be lost with such an irrascible god in charge of it.

mox

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A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s

by Mindchild in

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hi all of you wild and funky people,.

by way of introduction, some two decades ago, i left the jehovahs witness ideology at considerable personal costs, from there went forward to get a quality college education and im now a research scientist at an american university.

a few months ago i, along with a team of international scientists, published a scientific paper that addressed a neural-behavioral discovery i had made many years ago that involved jehovahs witnesses.

Moxy

this is a fascinating follow-up to the 'god spot' studies mentioned. this is not as loony as it probably sounds at first either. one should not get the impression that you could look at publisher and hour numbers and visibly see a rise and fall every 21 years. this is a subtle influence seen using the mathematical analysis described above by alanf. extrapolating from the years mentioned, i gather that these were periods of hi or lo magnetic influence on religious activities:

2002-2005 hi
1991-1994 lo
1981-1984 hi
1970-1973 lo
1960-1963 hi
1949-1951 lo
1939-1941 hi
1928-1930 lo
1918-1920 hi (JW rebirth)
1907-1909 lo
1897-1899 hi
1886-1888 lo
1876-1878 hi (WT founded)

some interesting comparisons can be made if i indeed have gotten this right. the fact that the early 70's being a low period is supported by unaltered statistics of high JW growth during this time makes the conclusions compelling, altho i would really like to see this paper myself.

thanks for the post

mox

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Jehovah's Witnesses upset over losing Quebec judgm

by Kent in

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jehovah's witnesses upset over losing quebec judgment on blood transfusions .

montreal (cp) -- the jehovah's witnesses say they may appeal a quebec superior court court ruling that authorized a blood transfusion, a practice forbidden to church members.

the rest of the story on http://watchtower.observer.org.

Moxy

i dont know too much about this situation but as many are well aware, quebec has been the focus of a lot of legal trouble for the WT for a long time and it has intensified recently. i believe the WT would like to prevent either precedent being set for the entire country or problems for freedom in a possible sovereign quebec in the future (less likely now than it seemed a few years ago when the blainville stuff was going on.)

crepaud, the spokesman in the article, was specifically sent to quebec to head up the legal dept there about 4 years ago IIRC.
mox

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