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  WTS quietly discarding end-times signs?

  by ozziepost in

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  back in 1995 a major change took place in the witnesses' 'understanding' of the generation that was foretold to see the end of the current 'system of things'.. no longer was it to be a literal generation that would see both the beginning of times of distress in 1914 and the culmination at armageddon.

  instead the wts claimed 'new light' in interpreting the generation as applying to whichever generation of people were alive to see the final end.. also in 1995 another change took place that did not receive the same attention and may have remained unnoticed by the rank and file witnesses.

  repeating a point already made in a watchtower issue of 1993, a new textbook to be used in the proselytising work (the knowledge book) was released.

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  you will know you are in the time of the end when the things that happen at the time of the end, do in fact, happen.

  that sounds like hugh grant for some reason...

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  Jennifer Connelly

  by LB in

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  with all the hype i've posted about britney i now must make a confession.

  to be honest the celebrity i find the most attractive is jennifer connelly.

  she most recently played a lead role in a beautiful mind.

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  she was amazing in Requiem For A Dream and of course Beautiful Mind.

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  Anglo- American world power?

  by crownboy in

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  as any jw/ ex-jw knows, the society has declared for many years now that we are living during the reign of the final great world power, the anglo-american world power.

  however, is it just me or does it seem like we are simply living with the american world power?

  if you are to believe the society, wouldn't it mean that the u.s. and britain are equals in the world arena?

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  the situation is even worse when it comes to interpreting the beasts of daniel. there are only FOUR there, so starting from babylon, we could only stretch it as far as Rome. scholars generally accept it only went as far as greece, but we'll give them one extra. even so, in order to make the prophecy stretch down to 'end times', the WT interprets BOTH BRITAIN AND AMERICA to be merely extensions of ROME! the reasoning is so bizarre as be unfathomable.

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  Does God speak through a book?

  by Moxy in

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  the live forever book, on pg 47, contains the following line of reasoning:.

  has jehovah god given us information about himself?

  has he told us what he has done and what he yet purposes to do?

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  The Live Forever book, on pg 47, contains the following line of reasoning:

  HAS JEHOVAH GOD given us information about himself? Has he told us what he has done and what he yet purposes to do? A father who loves his children tells them many things. And from what we have seen, Jehovah is indeed a loving father.

  How could Jehovah give information to humans living in many parts of the earth and in different periods of time? A fine way would be for him to have a book written and then see to it that it was made available to all.

  The Knowledge book, typically, truncates this reasoning to a single statement:

  IT IS only reasonable that our Creator would provide a book of instruction and guidance for mankind.

  This always made sense to me. After all, if Jehovah's message to man was given to a particular individual, it would be lost in some degree for future generations. For some reason i never thought the reasoning through to its now obvious conclusion, a book is not the best way for god to communicate with man.

  The analogy is made to a human father who 'tells his children many things.' Naturally, we expect a father to tell his children things directly rather than in written form. For one, he has fewer children than god would. And he is normally in direct contact with them. But what if he had an enormous number of children, or his children moved far away, or he wanted to leave a message to his future generations of children. Then maybe, he would write his instructions down, just as god apparently decided to do. Fair enough. It's not the best approach to education but it would be the best he could do under these circumstances.

  But its not the best GOD could do! We are told that he is the hearer of prayer, incredibly, able to hear and process the prayers of millions of people in several languages, simultaneously, for no feat is too great for god. So why would he be limited like our human example and need to have the information written down when the flow of communication is going the other way? Why couldnt he communicate with all his children directly and simultaneously the same way, not in words but in pure thought? What an incredible experience that would be. (And im not particularly looking forward to hearing from those of you that think he DOES talk to you this way.) If you were the human father whose children moved far away, and you had the ability of telepathic communication, wouldnt you favor that over writing one letter to all your children?

  Of course, i suppose one common theological answer is that we are poor pitiful fallen man, and god cannot lower himself to speak directly with us. Nonsense. he spoke to many people directly according to the bible. We are supposed to be able to speak directly to him by the grace of christ. Why shouldnt it work the other way? Was he incapable of coming up with a method to talk to us directly?

  Once the truth is expressed, it is diluted. This is a simple fact of language. Whatever you are trying to express becomes locked in the biases of the language and cultural filters of the person expressing it AND the person reading it. Just the sheer number of people, and the many years of manpower spent by them trying to discern exactly what god meant in any particular passage of the bible should make it obvious that this was not the best choice for a communications medium. For many reasons besides this, the bible cannot be gods message to mankind.

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  A sickening example of religious vampirism

  by expatbrit in

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  the link below leads to a webpage for a play entitled it's not too late: a christian drama/musical inspired by the columbine tragedy.. here is the synopsis of the play:.

  the story takes place during one day at a high school.. .

  mr. brooks is the custodian of the high school.

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  BTW, I met Cassie classmate who came to our Church. She was with Cassie when the shooting began, I am sorry to say her story is true, not just an urban legand.

  i find that unlikely.

  http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/30/bernall/print.html

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  JW...No Blood..Dies.. Murder Conviction Stands

  by MadApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  north carolina court of appeals.

  filed: 2 november 1999. state of north carolina v. theondray ozell welch, defendant.

  1. homicide--proximate cause--victim's refusal to accept blood transfusion--not intervening cause of death.

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  unfortunately for marina, the prohibition on blood and the horrors tied to it were so strong, she took them to her grave despite already having obviously left much of her JW upbringing behind, including laws on sexual morality. similarly, many JWs will cling to this long after the WT divorces itself from the blood prohibition. it is so deeply ingrained. of course, in this case, the life-threatening situation plus the support of her possibly somewhat estranged family probably galvanized her religious convictions.

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  Today we see who takes the mark of the beast

  by MikeNightHaShev in

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  well it's ash wed people, has anyone today received "the mark of the beast"?.

  it's time to get the mark of the beast, on your forehead and on your.

  hand.

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  according to The Finished Mystery, just about EVERYTHING is the pope:

  congregation of Pergamum = the papacy
  congregation of Thyatira = the papacy
  rider of white horse = pope
  rider of red horse = pope
  rider of black horse = pope
  rider of pale horse = pope
  army of locusts = Methodists
  Abaddon = 'a bad one' (???) = Satan
  four bound angels = four false church doctrines
  army of horsemen = Protestants
  beast from the abyss = French Catholic Church
  the dragon = Catholic Church
  the heavenly child = the papacy
  Michael = pope (!?!)
  the angels of the dragon = Catholic bishops
  beast from the sea = the papacy
  beast from the earth = the Anglican Church
  image of the beast = Federal Council of Churches
  666 = pope (VICARIUS FILII DEI)
  seven plagues = seven volumes of Studies in the Scriptures
  Babylon the Great = the papacy
  scarlet beast = Rome that guy sure gets around!

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  jesus Married?

  by bboyneko in

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  at the wedding at cana, they come to mary to say they have no more wine.

  why mary?

  consider that jesus married mary magdalene and she was the sister of lazarus.

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  this is interesting but confusing. are you saying the 'beloved disciple' was lazarus? why him rather than the commonly believed John, who was likely related to jesus anyways?

  why would jesus being related to lazarus by marriage have anything to do with the likelihood that lazarus 'wouldnt have died if he has been there?'

  do you suppose that mark deliberately hid the fact of jesus marriage from his readers?

  it seems all much easier to explain by saying that these are little nuggets of stories and half-legends that built up around jesus and got a little intertwined, so that relationships began appearing that werent there before.

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  A sickening example of religious vampirism

  by expatbrit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the link below leads to a webpage for a play entitled it's not too late: a christian drama/musical inspired by the columbine tragedy.. here is the synopsis of the play:.

  the story takes place during one day at a high school.. .

  mr. brooks is the custodian of the high school.

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  i just looked briefly thru this but im guessing its based on or inspired by cassie bernal, the girl who was famous for having been asked by the shooter, eric harris, if she believed in god, to which she answered 'yes,' and was then shot. an inspiring tale that has galvanized the atheist-christian divide. it has risen to mythic proportions with cassie actually volunteering herself as a believer when the question was directed at a crowd. she died for her faith. read her incredible story at a website devoted to her: http://www.yesibelieve.com

  the problem is, unfortunately, it didnt happen. it is a fascinating urban legend made right in front of her eyes, by media too eager to use a good story to risk spoiling it, and by a community desperately searching for meaning from the tragedy.

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  What's wrong with this quote?

  by TD in

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  a few weeks ago, j.r. brown, director of the office of public information of jehovahs witnesses was interviewed on ktar, a phoenix area radio station.

  after listening to an audio tape of the interview given to me by a friend in the area, i thought some of you might find the following example of browns forthrightness interesting.

  mcmahon: were looking at the jehovahs witnesses, uh with the help of its national spokesperson j. r. brown, ah, the jehovahs witness office, the director of offices--- the office of public information in brooklyn, new york and theres so many things to talk about particularly clearing up some areas of confusion, uh curiosity.

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  my guess would be you're refering to his insistence on 'pouring out blood' when in fact recent changes on blood fractions require that the WT actually not support a pouring out of blood at all.

  i think its also interesting that, as the PR man, virtually the first words out of his mouth in relation to blood is that it is a 'personal conviction' - as opposed to a doctrine.

  mox