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trailerfitter
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Why do the GB need a new Bethel compound if the end is so close? Here is the "official" answer
by sir82 inas most of us know, the society is spending 10's of millions of dollars on a giant, state of the art, secluded bunker country club headquarters in very remote, isolated warwick ny.. the question that "some" have is, why?
if armageddon is coming "very soon", why go to all that time & effort & expense?
why have thousands of jws dedicating their time to this massive effort instead of the "lifesaving ministry"?.
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A small victory over WT child indoctrination.
by trailerfitter inover the last few years it has been a stuggle to ensure my son who is now eight years old is not indoctrinated into the rediculous world of the watchtower.
whilst i am separated from my wife she takes every opportunity to try to get him to slave for jeeehoovah (joseph stalin as i call him).
today, after a discussion i found out she has yet again tried to explain that god made the world etc, and the noahs arc story.
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trailerfitter
Great video notjustyet. something we will learn together. Thanks for the replies, it is encouraging to know that i do not stand alone in this matter. Unfortunately the WTBT$ wants to drag everyone into their little drama. For now thing are ticking along. I have not allowed her to take him the the KH although he has been on the odd occation. I pulled her up on changing her meeting days and sneeking off there with him, He complained how boring it was and doesn't want to go anyway.
I do not mind the boy exploring but not with fanatics who cannot reason. He does need to be religiously literate but I find the Watchtower are NOT suitable teachers.
As adamah stated actually analyising the moral aspects of gods great moments the boy is too young yet to fully comprehend. He needs more time and through the traditional religeous education at school he will get a grasp of the stories without his mothers bias on events.
She has a slave mentality and approves of slavery in the old testament...I wanted to briefly discuss the issue but,.... the zelotness of her belief means things get intense and out of hand, too emotional if you like. She says she is qualified to teach the bible then why doesn't she know the first ten commandments given to Moses?
I pointed out the commandment about killing and she had to dive into the bible to check. Okay there are over 160 but the first most of christianity know them. I asked also why was it okay to kill men women and children and occupy a land, taking slaves. By her own admission it is okay to do this. really? Not in this day and age. If it is okay then was Hitler justified? I don't think so.
After digging at the subject of "thou shalt not kill" or in her words from the JW bible "thou shalt not murder" it appears that the morality of YWHY is on very shakey ground. It is okay to kill if you are a solidier but not to murder....this was her answer. Yet the inconsistance shows when the last discussion we had about this, no one killed it was god doing the killing through them guiding their hands....obserd to say the least.
After much going around the mulberry bush and recieving avoidance - jumping around saying JC had changed the law. To me the passage she quoted in Galations condoned the laws as it is set in the old testament but from her point of view it is not... Okay, so Jeeehovah changed the commandments or did his son over-rule his fathers rules that were set in stone....??? To me it is unimportant. The morality is.
The impression I get when it gets too hard or intelectually compromising - she then pulls out a book to offer or offers a specialist who knows about this subject to get them in to discuss it. I would have thought being "qualified to teach" and spends time telling everyone that all the religions have got it wrong and the WT is the only true religion then the answers should be there without refferal.
Same thing with exodus, god looking after them in the desert, in her words, starts off with 1.5 million who god is looking after and she quoted 1 ton of food per day supplied. Works out much less than a gramme per day per person. She changes it to 3 million and god supplies 4 tonnes per day of food. Still doesn't figure mathamatically. She quickly commented " oh you like mathamatics" and " god supplied" avoided the subject forthwith. Another avoidance....
I do not want to make her look stupid in all honesty as it is counter productive however the boy was present and get the impression that she didn't know what she was talking about.
In a nutshell, everything i say, is wrong from her point of view. Even if I point out a fact, it is wrong, even if it is written there in black and white or looked at logically. Since Eugene has preferred to side with me it looks bad on her even though she wants us to agree on things..( the WT way).
My son who was not taking part in the debate wanted to pull me away and do something else. Good for him.
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A small victory over WT child indoctrination.
by trailerfitter inover the last few years it has been a stuggle to ensure my son who is now eight years old is not indoctrinated into the rediculous world of the watchtower.
whilst i am separated from my wife she takes every opportunity to try to get him to slave for jeeehoovah (joseph stalin as i call him).
today, after a discussion i found out she has yet again tried to explain that god made the world etc, and the noahs arc story.
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trailerfitter
Over the last few years it has been a stuggle to ensure my son who is now eight years old is not indoctrinated into the rediculous world of the Watchtower. Whilst I am separated from my wife she takes every opportunity to try to get him to slave for Jeeehoovah (Joseph Stalin as i call him). Today, after a discussion I found out she has yet again tried to explain that god made the world etc, and the Noahs arc story. This lead to a fantastic opportunity to ask him what he thought about it. It is wrong to kill everyone and anything that has the power to do so should not have that power. Good progress. Although I am an athiest ( a position I took up after the WT infected our lives) I leave him to decide for himeslf what the truth is and only offer more rational and logical explainations.
Paramount to having a freer mind don't you think?
My son is at an age where he thinks everything - including electricity and hidden mechanical components - especially in cars - are magic. His interest in the world has increase lately, he is asking questions which has opened the door to explore the "real reasons" behind how the world works rather that being lazy and just saying God did it or IT'S MAGIC!!
It is a compliment for him to say he trusts what I say. We discussed what his mum does for "the men who tell her what to do" and he has the understanding already that working for them who "pretend they talk to god" is SLAVERY.. (understanding of slavery came from a UK Christian school that explained slavery in the Egyptian times.)
Just though I'd share this with you and say a thank you for those who post information and make videos alerting / educating people like myself who have caused a massive rift in my family by the WTBTS. I know it it harder for some but all efforts are not wasted!!!
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trailerfitter
good video..
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EVIL what does that word mean to you as either JWs or ex JWs?
by trailerfitter inquestion i am trying to find out what people think.
i know how many of you feel about the wt and thier pathetic policies , lets put that aside for now.
in truth from either a christian, agnostic or atheist point of view ....what do you define as evil?
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trailerfitter
Not what I was looking for but thanks.
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Of Jailing Americans, the Criminalization of Poverty,Traffic Tickets, Medical bills and Court fees.
by Scott77 in"...rather, they reflect a justice system that in effect criminalizes poverty.
"it's a growing problem nationally, particularly because of the economic crisis," said inimai chettiar, director of the justice program at new york university school of law's brennan center for justice..." http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505143_162-57577994/as-economy-flails-debtors-prisons-thrive/ i thought of this one with regard to the watchtower andhow it indirectly encourages poverty amoung jehovah's witnesses.
thousands of americans aebeing jailed for failure to pay medical bills and other.
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trailerfitter
I read about the harsh treatment of a particular religious sect the Armish today who were severly repremanded for disiplining their own over matters regarding thier own berliefs....
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EVIL what does that word mean to you as either JWs or ex JWs?
by trailerfitter inquestion i am trying to find out what people think.
i know how many of you feel about the wt and thier pathetic policies , lets put that aside for now.
in truth from either a christian, agnostic or atheist point of view ....what do you define as evil?
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trailerfitter
Question i am trying to find out what people think. I know how many of you feel about the WT and thier pathetic policies , lets put that aside for now. In truth from either a christian, agnostic or atheist point of view ....what do you define as evil?
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How many ways....
by Lady Lee in... can you name that the wts hurts people?.
two big ones for me:.
it pushes people to the edge and when they commit suicide they say: "well he wasn't really a jw anyways soit has nothing to do with us".. it pushes people so much to do more and more and more that they get depressed, and physically sick.
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trailerfitter
Slavery pure and simpler which uses all of the above to get their work done for a hollow promise that they know they can't deliver.
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Just found some convincing videos that are making me reconsider my non-theist ideas
by cantleave inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4kmwqtlrqo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpnlg2ks8ys.
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trailerfitter
Laugh out loud.
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If Abraham had never lived...No Jewish nation, no Islam, no christianity
by Aussie Oz ini guess the guy really did, that he did as the bible says and that he fathered the jewish nation, fathered by extension islam and christianity as well.
maybe he really did, because well, we have that trinity of belief systems existing that we cannot deny.. pretend with for a moment that he never did though.
lets pretend that the jewish nation never came to be, that the koran thus never got written, that the ot never got written, there was no jewish saviour prophecies uttered and that humanity made it through the last 4000 years or so without either of those three and their offshoots like christianity.. what would history be like?.
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trailerfitter
Empires have risen and fallen, but with each change has left it's legacy. You only need to see the English version of the days of the weeks' names to realise that part of history still remains and we use it every day with really knowing why the days are named after Norse gods.
Pagan festvals remain due to christianiity although many would argue other wise.
We still have society that was more or less organsied by the Romans even the calendar reflects this.
Christianity will eventually pass away along with the other religions but wll leave its mark on humanity. If Abraham didn't exsist then sooner or later someone would have come up with the the God that is bigger than all the other Gods to use as a beating stick and a justification to impose their lifestyle onto others.
Hopefully huminity is coming into the light by slowly realising the stone age religion does not fit todays culture...