BJC - I am sorry - I am missing your point entirely.
Could you please elaborate for me.
Posts by msil
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25JW Theology and the NY disaster
by msil inif i am misquoting the theology espoused by jws then please correct me.. but i am trying to appreciate their theology as far as death and armageddon are concerned.
we know that the jw belief is as follows: "he who has died has been acquitted of his sin".
this is often used to imply that almost all who die prior to the great tribulation or armageddon will receive a resurrection of life or judgement (ok we know sodom dudes, judas and the flood victims wont get one according to jw theology).
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JW Theology and the NY disaster
by msil inif i am misquoting the theology espoused by jws then please correct me.. but i am trying to appreciate their theology as far as death and armageddon are concerned.
we know that the jw belief is as follows: "he who has died has been acquitted of his sin".
this is often used to imply that almost all who die prior to the great tribulation or armageddon will receive a resurrection of life or judgement (ok we know sodom dudes, judas and the flood victims wont get one according to jw theology).
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msil
bjc - I am sitting here without a Bible right now - at work.
Perhaps some of the other posters who have Bibles handy could quote the "loving" acts of war from the Old Testament. For example when the Israelites were told to kill everyone including even the animals in some of their battles...
How about the prophecies of how peoples eyes will rot in their sockets at the time of the great day?
Quoting sweet verses do not make things "happy" when the OT also refers to the inhumane acts. If you give your kid candy and then burning him with a cigarrete afterwards does that mean you are a good or a bad person? Same logic isn't it?
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norm: Look carefully at this picture. I bet you all can spot what is wrong with it.
yeah - no Arabs
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JW Theology and the NY disaster
by msil inif i am misquoting the theology espoused by jws then please correct me.. but i am trying to appreciate their theology as far as death and armageddon are concerned.
we know that the jw belief is as follows: "he who has died has been acquitted of his sin".
this is often used to imply that almost all who die prior to the great tribulation or armageddon will receive a resurrection of life or judgement (ok we know sodom dudes, judas and the flood victims wont get one according to jw theology).
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NYT - doesnt this make you think that your beliefs should be examined or that perhaps the beliefs are pretty warped?
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JW Theology and the NY disaster
by msil inif i am misquoting the theology espoused by jws then please correct me.. but i am trying to appreciate their theology as far as death and armageddon are concerned.
we know that the jw belief is as follows: "he who has died has been acquitted of his sin".
this is often used to imply that almost all who die prior to the great tribulation or armageddon will receive a resurrection of life or judgement (ok we know sodom dudes, judas and the flood victims wont get one according to jw theology).
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bjc2012: Nor is this what the Bible teaches!
I disagree - how many Old Testament passages should we look at?
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JW Theology and the NY disaster
by msil inif i am misquoting the theology espoused by jws then please correct me.. but i am trying to appreciate their theology as far as death and armageddon are concerned.
we know that the jw belief is as follows: "he who has died has been acquitted of his sin".
this is often used to imply that almost all who die prior to the great tribulation or armageddon will receive a resurrection of life or judgement (ok we know sodom dudes, judas and the flood victims wont get one according to jw theology).
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If I am misquoting the theology espoused by JWs then please correct me.
But I am trying to appreciate their theology as far as death and Armageddon are concerned.
We know that the JW belief is as follows: "He who has died has been acquitted of his sin". This is often used to imply that almost all who die PRIOR to the Great Tribulation or Armageddon will receive a resurrection of life or judgement (OK we know Sodom dudes, Judas and the flood victims wont get one according to JW theology). Hopefully I have this correct.
We also know that when Armageddon comes supposedly only Jehovah's Witnesses will make it through - per their own teaching; otherwise why become a Jehovah's Witness?
So let's say the JWs are correct in their teaching. And let's say that Armageddon was due to happen today (the day after the NY terrorist attack). Then logically, according to the JW teaching those who were killed in the NY attack "have been acquitted from their sin" and are elligible for resurrection now. If some managed to survive and were not Jehovah's Witnesses they would have been killed at Armageddon today.
Surely, the Witnesses should be honest and go on field service and tell everyone how GOOD it was that those who died will not be destroyed by our loving creator at Armageddon because they died yesterday. They should also say how the survivors need to become JWs or our loving creator will destroy them too.
Am I off track in my understanding of their teaching?
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Ray Franz and the conspiracy's theory
by chasson inhas someone asked ray franz about what he thinks about the springmeier's theory ?.
i am interested.. bye.
charles
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msil
Since Christianity itself is a cult this theory makes no sense.
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Evolutionary Path
by msil inas one of the knowledge-seekers who has not had the means or opportunity to do a lot of research i have benefitted greatly from the work of alan, jan and some some others.. i have a question concerning the different "paths" which are followed on the way "out" of the dubs.
how many paths are there?
how does one find the questions to ask - without getting stuck in a direction?.
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Amazing and Joel,
Thanks guys. It is true the only things we can be sure of are Death and Taxes (dunno which is worse)... But it must be the pessimistic side of me which enables me to say: "we are all dying....every day that passes brings me closer to the date of my death". I hate that thought.
Something happened earlier this morning which triggered me to think about "coping mechanisms". As humans it appears as if we all need "coping mechanisms" (CMs). For instance drugs or religion (ahh see I did learn that drugs and spiritism are related when we studied the links due to them using the Greek word Pharmacia) are common CMs for people, as are alcohol and sex...and so on and so on. Why do we as humans need CMs? What is it about life that we need to have to "cope" with it?
Some have stated that religion is the strongest CM available to humans (eg. Religion is the opium of the people). Is it true that we as humans need to hold out some "unknown" or that by having a CM shrouded in mystery we are able to cope better than if it wasn't mysterious? Does everybody need "magic in their life" so as to cope? Why do some people need to read a "thought for the day" or need some external stimuli to get them through or to set the direction for them? As a JW I struggled to do the Daily Text. Even when I did it, it left me as soon as I was through. Others seemed to dwell on it most of the day - I must have had a spiritual deficiency. You know what they say "Happy is he who is conscious of his spiritual need (Mat 5:3)" - no wonder I never felt happy!!
Just some more of my pointless ramblings and musings....I can keep them to myself or I can put them out there for the board as I think of them.
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Evolutionary Path
by msil inas one of the knowledge-seekers who has not had the means or opportunity to do a lot of research i have benefitted greatly from the work of alan, jan and some some others.. i have a question concerning the different "paths" which are followed on the way "out" of the dubs.
how many paths are there?
how does one find the questions to ask - without getting stuck in a direction?.
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msil
6/9, Alan, Abbadon, Silverleaf & Tina,
Thanks for the posts - i appreciate the discreet points each of you have made on this thread.
It seems as if it is very easy just to throw your hands up in the place where I am now and say "I am clueless and I have no way to turn so why even try anything?". I have sat here wondering for a while about this and I appreciate the insights each of you gave.
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Evolutionary Path
by msil inas one of the knowledge-seekers who has not had the means or opportunity to do a lot of research i have benefitted greatly from the work of alan, jan and some some others.. i have a question concerning the different "paths" which are followed on the way "out" of the dubs.
how many paths are there?
how does one find the questions to ask - without getting stuck in a direction?.
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msil
6 of 9,
I obviously have ambitions and some goals but at this point I feel fatalistic about most things. For example: I want to make lots of cash (don't we all), but there are many dependencies to doing so. So I might and I might not. I will work my ass off to get it but either way I do not have any specific hope. It will be there or it won't.
As far as afterlife - I have no clue. I do not profess any special interpretation of some book and I do not have the privilege of having personal conversations with the Lord.