Posts by cptkirk

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HELP! Good Friend just told she is being disfellowshipped!!

by jdhf in

hey... a good friend of mine was visited by 2 elders this evening..and after being treated like something you wouldn't want on your shoe...told her that her parents can no longer have anything to do with her 9 year old boy.

he is not baptized.. her dad is an elder and mum a long standing publisher...can they really insist that the grandparents ignore the child??

they babysit for him when she's at work...she would have to leave her job, and she lives in their house too..although they live elsewhere...her dad is researching this as he is obviously curious as to whether this is scriptural.

cptkirk

what exactly did they do that equated to treating her this poorly?

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Jehovah's happy people know more about HATE! What say you?

by punkofnice in

cut a long one short.

i encountered an elder the other day.....some threads ago i told of how concerned elder 'alf' (name changed as his real name makes me vomit), came over to 'encourage' me back to the meetings.

after being hounded by him i told him about 'randcam', philip morris and the un.. .

cptkirk

these people are nuts. i've thought about situations like that and said to myself, i'm going to just give this guy a beatdown, maybe that will wake him up to reality. then i think it through and realize, the poor bastard wont change a lick and will just be the same guy now with a seriously bruised spirit. and a wife that is out to get me, i've had enough of them. i let some of them run their spiel (haha was looking for spelling on spiel, and dictionary.com said "do you mean sheeple?"), and dont think much of it, because i know they are doing what they think is right. those other guys that hide their tempers in their sheperding are the worst though. the more i think about it, i just see them as more and more pitiable more than anything.

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JW = largest body of therapy for mentally ill?

by cptkirk in

can't believe i actually was buying into this group for as long as i have.

i browsed a few threads on this web page, and saw a few that dealt with how heavy they have been lately on "the enemy within", paraphrasing, whatever....i really think they are actually collapsing, and this kind of notion of "the enemy is everywhere!

" is just a testament to that fact.

cptkirk

since you mentioned holocaust, i read a thread on here that said the "brothers" (some), were selling eachother out in those camps? wonder where that guy got his information, and if there is anyway to validate it. i have a hard time believing that one....you got to be into some serious hatred to be at eachothers necks in the middle of the holocaust...

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What do you think of this argument?

by Druid in

i stopped being a jw altogether when i went into college and took philosophy classes and started thinking for myself.

i understand a lot of you former jw's are still theists, in fact it seems probably the majority of you are.

i am agnostic, meaning i don't feel there is enough evidence for against either cause to subscribe my lifestyle to one belief.. .

cptkirk

i thought his illustration was decent. not trying to be argumentative simon, just wondering why you saw it as a non-sequitur? also i think that was the point of the 2nd illustration, not necessarily to win, just to cancel it out to make a point. they arent exactly earth shattering illustrations, but i thought they were decent, and was interested to hear your elaboration on them being paradoxical non sequiturs.

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Review and Comments on the New Elders Book

by MrDarkKnight in

i recently completed an exhaustive review of an unofficial copy of the new elders manual.

my father, who is currently serving as an elder told me a friend of his in the service department told him it was on the internet so i eagerly looked for it and found it.

yes, i know it was a violation of copyright, but while at bethel i made copies of many technical manuals which is also a copy of copyright so the wts hypocrisy does not concern me.. i was appointed as an elder the year the pay attention book (manual replaced by this one) was released so i have very good working knowledge of the old book and could compare the two books.

cptkirk

this may have been covered but, can someone tell me why there is such enormous secrecy regarding this elders book? i mean if you could have an honest conversation with the folks that wrote it, and you said to them "hey, why is it so hugely important to keep this book secret?", what would they say?

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JW = largest body of therapy for mentally ill?

by cptkirk in

can't believe i actually was buying into this group for as long as i have.

i browsed a few threads on this web page, and saw a few that dealt with how heavy they have been lately on "the enemy within", paraphrasing, whatever....i really think they are actually collapsing, and this kind of notion of "the enemy is everywhere!

" is just a testament to that fact.

cptkirk

why was this ed dunlap booted? can you explain why the book says the letter of james was written to no specific persons or person? and then it starts by addressing the scattered 12 tribes "Greetings!"? it doesn't exactly matter to me either way, i'm just curious since you cited it. thankyou for the welcome.

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JW = largest body of therapy for mentally ill?

by cptkirk in

can't believe i actually was buying into this group for as long as i have.

i browsed a few threads on this web page, and saw a few that dealt with how heavy they have been lately on "the enemy within", paraphrasing, whatever....i really think they are actually collapsing, and this kind of notion of "the enemy is everywhere!

" is just a testament to that fact.

cptkirk

not sure how to edit the message. but yea like you said it's someone elses truth. not theirs.

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JW = largest body of therapy for mentally ill?

by cptkirk in

can't believe i actually was buying into this group for as long as i have.

i browsed a few threads on this web page, and saw a few that dealt with how heavy they have been lately on "the enemy within", paraphrasing, whatever....i really think they are actually collapsing, and this kind of notion of "the enemy is everywhere!

" is just a testament to that fact.

cptkirk

that's funny you say that. because one thing i picked up on a lot (especially the higher up you go), it's like everyone is thumping away, then they turn their head around and ask the elder behind them "is that right? did i do that right? etc. it's like they are all collectively hoping the other guy knows what he's talking about.

you ever watch "mind meld"? story of shatner and nimoy's life together. nimoy tells a story where the one actor says to the other actor 'what are you playing in this scene?', and the actor says 'im playing nothing', then the actor that asked him the question says 'no you cant play nothing, i'm playing nothing.'

that is pretty much the heirachy of the religion, they are all playing nothing, and hoping the other guy is really something. but they arent :( dfs .dinner...

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JW = largest body of therapy for mentally ill?

by cptkirk in

can't believe i actually was buying into this group for as long as i have.

i browsed a few threads on this web page, and saw a few that dealt with how heavy they have been lately on "the enemy within", paraphrasing, whatever....i really think they are actually collapsing, and this kind of notion of "the enemy is everywhere!

" is just a testament to that fact.

cptkirk

yea there are many angles aren't there? you think you're going to free the slaves or something? you can't free someone that doesn't want to be freed. i see what you're saying though....i see everything through the prism of being healthy or not healthy...some people i guess still are ensnared by the stigma term "psychological health"...as if the phrase always represented euphemistic language for someone below par. we all have our health and illness....theirs is special though. It is special because they proclaim "truth", yet their entire lives are lies. the organization functions to perpetuate their mental state, which is a mental state that relies on (a word you dont hear as much anymore) a "crutch" of some "theological" angle, which in truth is just their inability to deal in a healthy manner. until you find truth in yourself, you wont ever find truth in anything else. so if none of them have the truth regarding themselves, how can they preach truth to anyone?

some are better than others obviously. but if you dig deep enough, even with the really together ones, you will find that same denominator.

buying in, it was imprinted in me as a child. i was born in the 70's.

you see what i'm saying though? "here let me tell you the truth" - ok you dont even know the truth about yourself, but you're going to teach me the truth about life? mmk

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JW = largest body of therapy for mentally ill?

by cptkirk in

can't believe i actually was buying into this group for as long as i have.

i browsed a few threads on this web page, and saw a few that dealt with how heavy they have been lately on "the enemy within", paraphrasing, whatever....i really think they are actually collapsing, and this kind of notion of "the enemy is everywhere!

" is just a testament to that fact.

cptkirk

can't believe I actually was buying into this group for as long as I have. I browsed a few threads on this web page, and saw a few that dealt with how heavy they have been lately on "the enemy within", paraphrasing, whatever....I really think they are actually collapsing, and this kind of notion of "the enemy is everywhere!" is just a testament to that fact. What happened to the holy spirit? lmao, I'm just sitting here trying to even comprehend how I could of been brain washed by these people for so long.....

even started to realize towards the end there, I think the GB actually makes fun of their own people, I cant say it for sure obviously because I'm not inside their minds...for example there is a book called 'commentary on the letter of james', and in the 2nd paragraph of the book it says paraphrasing, the letter of james was not written to any specific people or any specific person...then you pickup the bible and read the letter of james and it says paraphrasing, 'to the 12 tribes of israel that are scattered about, Greetings!", unless it was saying he was a 'slave to the 12 tribes of israel'? whatever, there are many instances of this kind of condescending weird shit that i started to pick up on late in the game. the UN thing is obviously the smoking gun, just amazing.

I'm torn right now recognizing the weakness of man, and my own weakness, and trying to jibe that with the fact that societies like this actually do offer some good for people. Ie. everyone would agree we all die, and yet everyone would also agree that the human spirit/instinct is to fight for life. this very basic contradiction can cause a person issues, along with a couple dozen more major tension points. and I guess societies like this do help the immature brain to have some security, at the same time, most of them are just plain crazy. they dont realize that the padlock they put on their thought process, actually ends up serving as a impediment to their "perceptive power", hence making even their so called elder/wise ones, fairly stupid and ill-equipped, compared to the worlds elder/wise men/women. so basically, ya got no holy spirit, and you're handicapped mentally = dinner for schmucks?