Posts by cptkirk

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Should Believers Fear Hell and God?

by leavingwt in

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in today's usa today, there is an article about hell, written by author and reverend oliver thomas.

i've quoted a few interesting portions, below.

the entire article may be viewed at the link.

cptkirk

leavingwt: this is a really good reference point on how misinformed the average person is. hell has got to be the most salient reference point on how deluded any given person's mind really is. why? because above all other biblical notions, hell is not only one of the easiest to disprove with scripture (as stated above by this reverend), but it's also the most egregious notion presented in the bible's entirety. ie. if the notion of hell does not impel you to reason on the scriptures, NOTHING WILL.

again, the scriptures are clear on the derivation of hell. it was all contextual in regards to society of the EARTHLY REALM at that particular time.

there is no more shocking idea you can articulate to another human being, greater than the deluded conception of hell.

this duplicity wrapped up in a biblical notion called "hell", will really help anyone who is trying to decipher another man/woman's mental state. do they believe the sky is blue or do they believe the sky is orange? it separates those who believe what they want to regardless of what the facts say, and those who's beliefs are centered in reasoning.

jw's seem to have their foot in both conceptions at this point. i'd guess this is one reason they are being caught in so many contradictions. they want to reason with you that the sky is orange. you prove to them that it's blue, and you are the devil. and yet they have books called "reasoning on the scriptures"...at some point they are going to have to just say 'reasoning is bad for you', or realize they are no different than those who gathered at the parthenon.

leavingwt: those poll numbers really have blown my mind at this point, can that really be true? "most americans", not most americans that claim to be christian? just 'most americans'? good god.

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Hello there everyone.

by Yr Wyddgrug in

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i'm a long time lurker here.. i'm not and never have been a jw, but i am trying to get an understanding of what it means to be disfellowshipped for the sake of someone i know.. my husband and i pastor a small church, we're nothing special, just a group of people who get together to seek god.

we're open to everyone and people pop in as they want to.

recently a woman in her early twenties has started turning up.

cptkirk

you need to tell her to come here. ex-jw's are probably the only people that can help individuals such as your friend. it's just like veterans of wars, they need to be around other vets. she just needs to work up the gumption to speak here, which can be harder for women because they get more shit dumped on them then brothers do. guilt trips and such.

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In Lima, Peru 15 year old JW child commits suicide

by discreetslave in

i'll translate the artcle since online translators did a terrible job.

the link to the original article is below.

lima 8/3/2011.

cptkirk

wow...that's wrenching....

did it say what type of poison this was? wondering where a 15 year old gets poison from.

i remember the scene from outside the superdome during hurricane katrina, where a guy was just dying right there in front of everyone on the ground. nothing they could do.

this situation happening in similar fashion, except there was no crisis which precluded medical resources. only the crisis in this poor child's mind and heart.

at 15 you should be running around happy, doing things with your friends, just so sad.

police found no evidence of letter or the poison? slightly odd

18

Need some advice, PLEASE!

by TweetieBird in

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i don't even know where to begin but i'm having trouble with my oldest son (grown) who just moved back home.

he recently got fired and kicked out by his roommate because he has (in my opinion and the rest of my family) an alcohol and pot problem.

he doesn't think he does because he can go days without either, a whole other story.

cptkirk

if you live in a big city there should be good resources in terms of psychologists/psychiatrists....the fact that he can go extended periods without the drugs is a good sign. it's a good sign because if they give him psychotropics and they work, he'll be less likely to smoke/drink while the medication is balancing him out. no idea what spice is. but yea he might have some deep seated phobias as mentioned above, that he isn't even aware of. talking to the psychologist/psychiatrist over time can help with this.

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There is one way to save the JW religion

by cptkirk in

stop referring to it as "the truth".. "the world" is not going to turn on you because you are all great shining examples of human beings.

if "the world" turns on you, it's because you are a dangerous cult.. taze russell and rutherford were both nuts.

but "the light gets brighter"...the light was already bright, it's called the christian greek scriptures.

cptkirk

stop referring to it as "the truth".

"the world" is not going to turn on you because you are all great shining examples of human beings. if "the world" turns on you, it's because you are a dangerous cult.

taze russell and rutherford were both NUTS. but "the light gets brighter"...the light was already bright, it's called the christian greek scriptures. you make it sound like you were starting a religion from scratch saying that...OOPS...did i just give away the secret? 2 crazy guys started a religion from scratch?...............

it's as ridiculous as referring to the elks club members or the raccoon lodge from the honeymooners as "the truth".

change "the truth" to, "a group of people trying to follow the teachings of christ". who knows, you might even grow in number if you do it. i'm guessing it would do away with a lot of the madness that goes on inside the org. because you demand this absolutism, without it, the members might not be such knuckleheads given some room to think on their own, within the org.

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Saw some JWs this am! Couldn't stop laughing

by Free!! in

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this morning on my way to the office i decided to stop at the gas station to get some coffee.... as i am pulling into the parking space i see this woman w a haircut from the 80's the typical below the knee skirt and long sleeve shirt (is a 105 degrees over here in the shadow).... i immediatly knew she was a jw... she had the latest wt in her hands..... she skipped me and approached a group of young mexican laborers that were resting in the back of a truck... but... as soon as i walked out of the gas station... guess who was waiting for me???

the jw!!!

she wanted to do a presentation.. i looked at her and w/o saying a word i started laughing so hard the guys in the truck started laughing as well... she just looked at me and still kept trying to push her literatrash!!

cptkirk

sulla, this is the last time i'm going to tell you this. i'll tell it to you the same way i told it to a know it all elder like yourself. you dont realize how primative you are sulla. me talking to you is like me talking to a 12 year old. i know every thought that 12 year old has ever had, and pretty much every thought it will have for quite a few years, why? because it's about evolution of the mind. your mind is very small and unevolved. your entire argument is based off assumptions about my motives in type, which are just that, your impressions , which expose your meager brain.

it never occurs to you that a negative impression someone has observed is just that? an observation. it has to be because the person was affronted? are you starting to see that you are exposing how primate your mind is? somehow you manipulated this entire post in being about the plight of women? lol. because someone spontaneously giggled at someone handing them a watchtower? i dont hand out judgement to anyone, unless they are looking for a confrontation with me, and that's not really judgement, it's defense.

if some venomous sister is going around gossiping trying to ruin various peoples reputations that she doesn't like, trying to have sex with brothers while she is married, preaching hypocritical nonsense with great vigor, then exercising the exact opposite behavior in personal life...and then someone fkn GIGGLES at her...yea i think THAT IS OK.

the truth is, i know exactly what you are sulla. that's why you really put me off. i know people like you. your true identity is a coward. rather than face the truth about what you are really pissed about, you will try and manipulate a circumstances As HARD As YOU CAN, to try and get your way. rather than stepping back realizing why you are bent (because you're scared and a coward), and hey i guess that's ok...but why not admit to yourself what you are so that you can evolve? i'm done. you can rip on me from now until revelry, but those are the true facts, i see through you like glass...you think you see through me because you see through the prism of fear, look through the prism of courage, and then you will figure out who i am. but that will require you to face and defeat your fear first. which will most likely never take place.

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I exposed 3 jw's today

by JunkYardDog in

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my brother and sister and their kids are visiting my jw dad for the weekend.

so my dad the smart ass invites 2 jw elders over to preach to my family (all non jw's) .

so my bro calls me on the phone, and they are argueing about the catholic church , trinity and blood.

cptkirk

was watching this clip the other day:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/05/jon-stewart-atheists-world-trade-center-cross_n_919196.html

i think we pretty much got these guys hung on their own logic at this point. probably not a good idea to make them the objects of sympathy..the facts are there. beating up on old people, just so wrong lol. beating up on young people i got no problem with though. but yea i can see where that would annoy the hell out of me (because it has happened to me before)...family invites some fire breather over and talks down to me...they think they are doing the right thing, what can you say. steam roll em, or ignore/humor them. you chose the former, maybe next time let them win, just so they dont have to go home and face their fears that they are trying so hard to run away from.

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The end is NIGH! Drought turns lake blood red

by SweetBabyCheezits in

gah!

drought of intelligence discovered @ 1:17..... http://www.weather.com/weather/videos/news-41/top-stories-169/drought-turns-lake-blood-red-21501.

cptkirk

shechaiyah: when everyone is still here in december 2011, will you stop posting that stuff ? please.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-135

"It will have an immeasurably miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will."

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i could never understand what was "good " about the "good news "

by looloo in

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as someone recruited in my 20s and spent about 6 years "interested " though never baptised , i just felt depressed after the lovebombing i received at first , i felt trapped by knowing "the truth" and wished i hadnt heard about it .

i couldnt understand what was good news about billions of innocents dying including poor children who have suffered enough in countries where there is famine etc... and all my relatives were doomed along with them !

i was a much happier person before i met jws believing you go to heaven after your death and live with god jesus and your loved ones .

cptkirk

the good news about death from above, as if there wasn't enough death down below to start with.

ok lemme put my hostility and cynicism on the shelf for a second. the good news of jesus christ who said be good to eachother....then he said ok guys i'm leaving now...ILL BE RIGHT BACK THOUGH...in fact

When they persecute YOU in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to YOU, YOU will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.

he was supposed to COME BACK before they were even done with israel 2,000 years ago? doh! yea read the bible, never know what you might find. like daniel was the head of the magic practicing priests.

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Saw some JWs this am! Couldn't stop laughing

by Free!! in

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friends

this morning on my way to the office i decided to stop at the gas station to get some coffee.... as i am pulling into the parking space i see this woman w a haircut from the 80's the typical below the knee skirt and long sleeve shirt (is a 105 degrees over here in the shadow).... i immediatly knew she was a jw... she had the latest wt in her hands..... she skipped me and approached a group of young mexican laborers that were resting in the back of a truck... but... as soon as i walked out of the gas station... guess who was waiting for me???

the jw!!!

she wanted to do a presentation.. i looked at her and w/o saying a word i started laughing so hard the guys in the truck started laughing as well... she just looked at me and still kept trying to push her literatrash!!

cptkirk

omfg sulla you are way to dumb to be posting here. you are exactly the type of reason i left that god forsaken organization. your entire brain is fail. you sound like one of them. you assume i had a bad experience with the sisters therefore that is the only reason i would say what i said? you are one of them under cover, i marked you. you are either the dumbest human being that can type complete sentences or you are one of them. how are you even walking and feeding yourself?