the infallible nwt says writing completed 96ce.
cptkirk
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I'm speed reading through revelation right now...
by cptkirk inwaiting on a couple important phone calls, so figured may as well make some use of this time.
i'm going to try and catalogue every error in this book, hopefully can be done before the end of the day.
i'm sure a lot of folks have already disected this and nothing new to see.
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Double Lives of JW Youth
by camicia ini posted a lengthy concern a while back about my 23 year old daughter on the verge of baptism.
the good news is she still hasn't progressed past studying - no door knocking thank god.
the bad news is she's still studying, attending meetings, etc and i am still very much a "satanic influence.
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cptkirk
"we have the holy spirit we're always protected" <---really not hard to disprove this. so my advice is stick with that ONE QUOTE...dont ever go off topic. find the pages upon pages upon pages upon pages of info available to disprove this. if you allow her to constantly go off in different directions (with her reasoning) you will go nuts. again nail her down on that one quote, day after day bring more info to her that proves that her quote is nonsense. if you really want to win, you gotta be disciplined like this in your approach. you dont have to be militant, just provide the information continously from thousands of different people's lives, in different time periods/countries, who were supposedly protected. whether that evident lack of protection is in regards to people dying in germany, or just women marrying men that beat the hell out of them in "the truth"...or a witness that is murdered in a random act in new york city, or whatever.
once that argument is done, she will probably say we are spiritually protected. which ofcourse i have no idea what that even means. if she comes back with that, you may as well just throw the towel in because it's over unfortunately.
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Are you an "apostate"?
by cedars ini'm quite new to this site, and i've noticed that many of you are more than happy to call yourselves "apostates", even though many of you evidently believe in the bible and in jesus as saviour, etc.. i'm aware that the society brands anyone who disagrees with them as being an "apostate", but just because they choose to do this, does this mean we should be comfortable with being so branded?
should we "bend over" and take it?.
here is what the insight book says on apostasy:.
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cptkirk
satire... it's like a group of people who preach that alcohol consumption turns you into the devil. and then all the beer drinkers proudly wearing their devil arm-patch.
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STOP reading your bible! You're wasting your time!
by irondork inthebibleisanorganizationalbook.
8 all the law or torah that jehovah inspired moses to write was for this theocratic organization of israel.
so were all the other books that now comprise the hebrew scriptures, or the old testament as some persons refer to them.
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cptkirk
roddy: it doesn't necessarily have to say that. change your sentence to "only the strong excel". keep your safety net for the weak, and let the strong forge forward. seems simple enough.
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Why I Shouldn't Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth
by XJW4EVR inwhen i was a jw, the key issue that caused me to doubt the wt was the trinity.
the wtb&ts's blatent misquotations and misrepresentations of religious scholarship to fit their anti-trinitarian presuppositions are horrid and inexcusable.
that issue, however, was not the issue that caused me to become a christian.
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cptkirk
there may have been some deluded rabbi at that time, that about sums it up. there's your evidence. you want your religion, stay out of the science business. or your going to get hurt (emotionally) every time. if you have thick skin, then go ahead.
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Why I Shouldn't Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth
by XJW4EVR inwhen i was a jw, the key issue that caused me to doubt the wt was the trinity.
the wtb&ts's blatent misquotations and misrepresentations of religious scholarship to fit their anti-trinitarian presuppositions are horrid and inexcusable.
that issue, however, was not the issue that caused me to become a christian.
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cptkirk
leavingwt: nah he's actually in a very exclusive group. he's actually exerting thought to do research, and still talks like your average dip shit. atleast most of them are to lazy to do any research or exert any thought beyond what someone told them...hence they arent *completely* precluded from garnering intellectual honesty *at some point*...this guy is a real gem though, chris hitchens and dawkins insult your intelligence eh? i can see you radiate intellect with your clever user name, right up there with l8rg8tr.
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I'm speed reading through revelation right now...
by cptkirk inwaiting on a couple important phone calls, so figured may as well make some use of this time.
i'm going to try and catalogue every error in this book, hopefully can be done before the end of the day.
i'm sure a lot of folks have already disected this and nothing new to see.
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cptkirk
yea this is a waste of time. the first 4 chapters actually say something that can be discerned by the sane. like i said, it's sort of a ramp up to ultimate fear tactic, which is the rest of the book of revelation. the first 4 chapters are no different than the rest of the admonition of the greek scriptures, except they are aggrandised with the beginnings of john's bizarre visions, sort of 50/50...then after chapter 4 it just goes into full blown madness until chapter 22. it's interesting because he was so old, and he was a hot head in his youth...these people seem more prone to dementia in their old age.
i get the feeling as i read it, he's just being so torn by the fact that he's the last guy left...and he's just throwing out these desperate notions trying to convince everyone they weren't mislead. ultimate fate of the governing body maybe?
almost like the more he writes, the crazier it gets, denoting his own craziness in it's final hours.
atleast when they asked jezeus, he was like yea the sun wont shine anymore....hey that's scientific atleast. ofcourse we got a few more billion years before that occurs.
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I'm speed reading through revelation right now...
by cptkirk inwaiting on a couple important phone calls, so figured may as well make some use of this time.
i'm going to try and catalogue every error in this book, hopefully can be done before the end of the day.
i'm sure a lot of folks have already disected this and nothing new to see.
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cptkirk
waiting on a couple important phone calls, so figured may as well make some use of this time. i'm going to try and catalogue every error in this book, hopefully can be done before the end of the day. i'm sure a lot of folks have already disected this and nothing new to see. for me though, i always read this stuff and felt like it held some deep meaning....realizing now it's pretty plain in what it is. i'm already up to 6 errors and only on chapter 4. one thing that is interesting also , when you read revelation with the proper context, you get a chance to see it for what it really is.
these guys had died off, if i'm not mistaken john the writer of revelation was like 100 years of age, and preparing to die himself. try and get into john's mind at that time. (atleast accepting the premise any of it is real to begin with). john had seen all his people die off, he was the last one correct? ofcourse these congregations that had formed were still going...getting ready to be 2nd generation and even 3rd generation adherents. john must be looking around like damn, everybody is dead heh...well what should i do? (what everyone does when all else fails)...try to scare the living $%%t out of everyone, to keep them in order.
hence you see his flailing at the 7 congregations. and the spectacular language, used again as a scare tactic to keep people believing, once none of the original crew was left. (which was obviously imminent in 96 ce). look at revelation 2, he is already trying to aggrandise his message by putting undue importance (scare tactics, among other things) on the congregation of ephesus...then on the other 6 congregations.....why? he's aggrandising them to the point where they are now involved in the "grand climax"? these congregations were meaningless, they would be gone shortly after john's death. isn't it pretty obvious what he was doing? he was trying to scare them into not fading....why didn't god just pick a new prophet (lol spelled it proft, freudian slip) ...? would this falling back on scare tactics be the mark of someone with true faith?
he is giving them basic counsel ( all 7 congregations) same ole story...stop following riches, stop fornicatin, etc etc. and yet it's getting mixed into this "grand climax" message...was really the grand climax just a scare tactic? because john knew he was about to die and the rest were dead already? like the final move, speak the most insane grandiose things possible, to keep the congregations scared straight as long as possible.
then he's done at revelation 4. gee go figure what's next "a voice saying come on up here"......you have scared them straight, now their reward the angelic voice saying come on up here....
i'll throw this question out there, and then go back to my reading. why were these meaningless 7 congregations aggrandised to the point of being connected to the "grand climax"? these were just a bunch of meaningless people , like the rest of them. getting the same old counsel like the rest of them. up until revelation 4, revelation is really no different than any other greek book of the bible, except that john aggrandises it for what? my thought is, he knows he's dying...and there wont be anyone left to write these people letters or show up as big shepherd in chief...so he's trying to go out with a bang...sort of like a nuclear blast...even long after the explosion, the death dealing poison is still quite prevalent.
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first contradiction in the bible?
by cptkirk incontradiction without the use of an outside medium (such as archaeology, fossil study).
i just stumbled on this after reading the thread about adam and the sexual subliminal message.
i was thinking about adam and eve and chronology, and a contradiction popped up in my head...so i picked up the bible and there it is.. gen 1:27 - god creates adam and eve, tells them to be fruitful.. gen 2:18 - now adam is alone?
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cptkirk
roddy: although i do like your icon, you need to read this thread in it's entirety. they contradict themselves as single accounts, and they contradict eachother as dual accounts in contrast to one another. you can throw out the entire chronology and they are still full of holes.
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Double Lives of JW Youth
by camicia ini posted a lengthy concern a while back about my 23 year old daughter on the verge of baptism.
the good news is she still hasn't progressed past studying - no door knocking thank god.
the bad news is she's still studying, attending meetings, etc and i am still very much a "satanic influence.
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cptkirk
just be careful. if you push to hard, it might make things worse than they are. maybe print out some of the "best of" articles from this web page, show her just how deep the hypocrisy runs. then reason with her, if god has an organization, would it be this corrupt? (in a tactful way, tact not being my strong point personally, but it's required at times unfortunately).