just reposting this so it gets qued up closer.
Posts by Mulan
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4Mom and Silentlambs
by Mulan ini spent the afternoon today with my elderly jw mother.
my stepfather has alzheimer's disease, and is hospitalized now due to violent behavior.
i brought her to my home for the afternoon, and since i am fresh back from the northwest bible conference, attended mostly by ex jw's, silentlambs, and a few terrific posters from this board, i couldn't hold back on a few issues.
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Mom and Silentlambs
by Mulan ini spent the afternoon today with my elderly jw mother.
my stepfather has alzheimer's disease, and is hospitalized now due to violent behavior.
i brought her to my home for the afternoon, and since i am fresh back from the northwest bible conference, attended mostly by ex jw's, silentlambs, and a few terrific posters from this board, i couldn't hold back on a few issues.
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Mulan
I spent the afternoon today with my elderly JW mother. My stepfather has Alzheimer's disease, and is hospitalized now due to violent behavior. I brought her to my home for the afternoon, and since I am fresh back from the Northwest Bible Conference, attended mostly by ex JW's, Silentlambs, and a few terrific posters from this board, I couldn't hold back on a few issues. Bill Bowen, silentlambs, spent the night at our home Monday, before flying home, and I just had to share some things he had told us with Mom. I hadn't told her about the newspaper articles or that there would be a Dateline show, because I knew she would make me crazy if I told her. But I told her all of it today.
At first she gave me the same old WT rhetoric, about how that couldn't happen in the organization, but I gave her too many facts and details, and she crumbled. She said that if a parent is so "brainwashed, that they would listen to an elder who told them not to report a pedophile to the police", then there is just no hope for them. I was so shocked!
She read parts of the article on "Child Molestation in the JW's" from the Paducah newspaper, and finally put it down, saying she had read enough, and it was sickening. She didn't read far enough to where she would have read my husband's name (he was interviewed). That might have angered her against us.
I told her a few facts about the older married man who molested me (I should say he tried to molest me, and Mom knows about that situation), and how he impregnated one teenager in the congregation we all attended in the 50's, and he was not disciplined at all, and the girl was disfellowshipped for being pregnant out of wedlock. Now, if he was disciplined, it was privately, but this poor girl took terrible abuse, as you can imagine because of being pregnant this way. And no one was warned about this pedophile, so he moved his entire family to Oregon, where he took it up again, until about 10 years ago, when my repressed memory took over.
I told my husband, and he investigated, and we found about a dozen women who were molested by this man. My husband called his congregation, where he was serving as the WT conductor, and as expected, he denied it. This man's daughter and I were baptized together, and I remembered that he told me that he did "this thing" to her too, and she liked it, so we took a chance and called her. AT that time, she was disfellowshipped, and had not raised her children as witnesses. She had three adult daughters that she suspected he had molested, so one of them talked into a tape recorder detailing what he had done to her from the time she was 3 years old until about age 14, when she stopped it forever. The elders played the tape for him and he confessed, and was disfellowshipped, for exactly one year. If he hadn't confessed, they couldn't have touched him. I assume he is dead now, as he would be about 90, but maybe not. You can believe the congregation never knew why he was df'd.
My point is that if the congregation 50 years ago had been warned, including his own daughter, who had no memories before age 11 at all, he wouldn't have molested again. We can only imagine how many more girls there were.
Mom was nearly in tears, and I decided to drop it, because she had so much on her mind. But I had also told her about Greenlees and Chitty and she was appalled at first, denying it all, and then suddenly said she thought I might be right about that. Her husband is a former Bethelite from the 40's and attended the second class of Gilead, so he may have told her some stories in the past. Hopefully, she has some things to think about now.
Just sharing. Thanks Bill and Alan and "Joan" for a great weekend. And Venice too. You are the best, doll babe.
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JW's & alternative medicine
by slipnslidemaster inin one of the threads i read today, they were talking about looking into your eyeballs to diagnose cancer and the like.
also selling herbs.. my comment and question is this: it seemed like in my congregation and the surrounding ones, alot of the sisters were into kineseology, reflexology, herbs, vitamins, color therapy, aroma therapy, etc.. alot of touchy feely hippie crap.
while i personally agree that there needs to be more synergy with eastern and western medicines, it would appear reading the boards that alot of witnesses are into this sort of stuff.. is this your experience?
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Mulan
And.........the average age of death of an MD is 53. Now attack me on averages. Doctors are not the healthiest of men or women. But my father, who was a Naturopathic Physician, is still alive, extremely healthy, looks 70 maybe, and is 87. His only concerns are his eyesight and his hearing. I take him to an MD for checkups, twice a year, and they all say his heart, cholesterol, and blood pressure are of a man in his 40's, and they just shake their heads. He will live to be 100, I think.
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Demons / Urban Legends! Which Is It????
by Big Jim inhas anyone on this board ever experienced contact with demons?.
i have heard demons talked about for years, however i have never known anyone that has had any real experiences with them, i have only heard storys.. .
(some quotes).
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Mulan
One of my sons had an experience when he was about 16. He was walking home in the dark, after having sneaked out one night, and saw two men walking towards him. They were in long cloaks with hoods over their heads, so he couldn't see their faces. He was frightened because it was dark and the street wasn't lit well, but when he got closer he should have been able to see their faces, but there were no faces, and then they vanished. He ran home, and woke us up to tell us, or we would never have even known he was sneaking out. He was really freaked out over that experience, and even now, 19 years later, doesn't like to talk about it.
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If Lions are going to eat straw..............
by crossroads inwhat are sharks, dolphins and killer whales too eat?.
i was going to add polar bears but that might confuse.
the issue.. the lion king has something in it about the circle of life.. does anybody think thats ever going to stop?
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Mulan
Circle of life will continue. Lions need meat, and couldn't digest straw if they had to. It would require more "evolution". Ha ha ha.
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JW's & alternative medicine
by slipnslidemaster inin one of the threads i read today, they were talking about looking into your eyeballs to diagnose cancer and the like.
also selling herbs.. my comment and question is this: it seemed like in my congregation and the surrounding ones, alot of the sisters were into kineseology, reflexology, herbs, vitamins, color therapy, aroma therapy, etc.. alot of touchy feely hippie crap.
while i personally agree that there needs to be more synergy with eastern and western medicines, it would appear reading the boards that alot of witnesses are into this sort of stuff.. is this your experience?
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Mulan
No onslaught. You made some really good points. Medical practice too is just guessing, even when they do tests. Sometimes the test results are wrong or inconclusive. I have a daughter in law who is a lab technician in a hospital and she has told us some horror stories.
To larc: As to the statistics and averages things, you obviously have all the right answers and information. I am not educated in that, but I am educated in alternative health care. And I repeat, for those who just don't "hear" me: I believe there is a place for both alopathic and alternative treatments. There are some people who still think chiropractors are witch doctors.
Here is another statistic for you: "Every year over 100,000 people die in hospitals from PROPERLY administered prescription drugs." The New England Journal of Medicine.I am off for the weekend now, so attack away, everyone.
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Muhammad is my savior!
by d0rkyd00d injust kidding.
but i need some sort of lead in to my question.
when you are born, you are born into a religion.
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Mulan
I repeat. You are not hearing me. I never said that is what I believe. I am merely quoting what the Bible says. I never said I take it as the last word, which in fact I don't. I am quoting Christian theology, and maybe my take on it. As to the Bible, and Christianity, I repeat AGAIN: I just don't know. In my first post, where I said "Period", I only meant it as a finality of their beliefs, and how I used to believe.
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JW's & alternative medicine
by slipnslidemaster inin one of the threads i read today, they were talking about looking into your eyeballs to diagnose cancer and the like.
also selling herbs.. my comment and question is this: it seemed like in my congregation and the surrounding ones, alot of the sisters were into kineseology, reflexology, herbs, vitamins, color therapy, aroma therapy, etc.. alot of touchy feely hippie crap.
while i personally agree that there needs to be more synergy with eastern and western medicines, it would appear reading the boards that alot of witnesses are into this sort of stuff.. is this your experience?
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Mulan
Don't forget that when you are doing statistics, you are dealing in averages. Remember what those are? In the middle ages the average age of death was 30. Does that mean most people died at age 30? By no means. People lived long lives, many into their 80's and 90's, but there was high infant mortality, and that brought down the averages. One very wise man said "There are three main lies: statistics, statistics, and statistics." You can make a statistic say whatever you want it to say. For instance: 3 high school boys compete in a race. The third boy comes in last, so he loses. The school newspaper can report that he came in 3rd. The first boy comes in first so he wins. The newspaper can report he was third from the last. All are true statements but mislead the reader.
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Muhammad is my savior!
by d0rkyd00d injust kidding.
but i need some sort of lead in to my question.
when you are born, you are born into a religion.
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Mulan
Are you guys PURPOSELY not "hearing" me? Good grief. Maybe I am not expressing it the way I meant it, but it seemed clear to me. I agree with whoever said there is no true religion. That seems pretty obvious.
When the Bible says that Jesus died for all men, that all might live, it seems pretty clear to me, that it means just that. Don't add to it. All men includes all men, whether they know he did it or not. If you buy into the whole theology, and are a Christian, I guess that makes you more responsible. As I said before, I just don't know. -
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Will be in Seattle May 27-29th
by TR inanyone want to meet up, riz, others?
let me know.. tr.
"cults suck"
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Mulan
Hi TR. I just sent you an email with the particulars. Can you come to this meeting? That would be so cool!! Venice is there! I am staying in their hotel room.