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  Petra/Vulcan/-Just coffee talk!

  by Atlantis in

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  i thought i might take a few minutes to sit down with the members here and have a cup of coffee with you, and introduce myself and my daughter debbie (petra), and i am john posting as (vulcan).

  now i can't type worth anything so thats why i have petra do it.-we would like to thank mr. simon for his hospitality and if it is easier for us to post using the login atlantis uses, then that is ok!

  there are 4 of us here using the same computer and it might be easier that way to keep track.

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  Mum

  Apparently, hair style is more important than child molestation. What a bunch of bat crap crazy weirdos!
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  Question about Jesus and Armageddon

  by TheStumbler in

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  i have a question about armageddon.. my understanding is that the watchtower teaches that only jws will survive armageddon.

  following the great trubulation and time of trouble, when the world's forces turn on true religion (jws), god will step in an kill everone (apart from his true followers).. .

  i've been talking to a jw recently who seems to be suggesting that the casualties will be due to human warfare in the great tribulation so will be man's fault - not jehovah's.

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  Mum

  The WT Jesus (bearded or not) is so like an organized crime godfather.
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  w92 7/15: "It is the obligation of all JWs to hate apostates"

  by cedars in

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  today i was doing some research for a new article, and i came across the following quote which succeeded in raising my eyebrows.... "the obligation to hate lawlessness also applies to all activity by apostates.

  our attitude toward apostates should be that of david, who declared: 'do i not hate those who are intensely hating you, o jehovah, and do i not feel a loathing for those revolting against you?

  with a complete hatred i do hate them.

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  Mum

  I remember an elder saying at a meeting in the '70's that it was acceptable to hate a person when it was not possible to separate the person from their "evil "-- whatever that means.

  "Apostates" are bitter about injustice and unfair treatment in most cases. Barbara Grizzuti Harrison, in her book, Visions of Glory: A History and a Memory of the Jehovah's Witnesses, makes the point that most people who leave feel pushed out rather than just waking up one day and deciding to leave. I wonder how many here were pushed out. I was because I started realizing in 1977 or so, that I might have to face the reality of growing old in this "old order" or "old system" or whatever they're calling it. I had not prepared to live, so I wanted to get a college degree and hone my job skills. I also had to take care of my mental health in an environment where I could relax and think things through and not be pressed about what I was doing "wrong." Unfortunately, just being normal is "wrong" if you're in a cult.

  Regards,

  SandraC
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  WTS: Why Some Conspiracy Theories Are Important

  by metatron in

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  it may seem that some popular conspiracy theories have nothing to do with ending watchtower oppressions.

  the matter is otherwise.. i would judge that most experienced posters here grow tired ( been there, done that) waiting for the watchtower to implode.

  it seems as if, despite evidence of its decline, it manages to endure, however pathetically and will continue to do so, somehow.. maybe not.. besides certain legal issues (that could push it over a financial cliff), there are other matters, not in mainstream belief, that could quickly end it.

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  Mum

  I have a friend who was a member of the Worldwide Church of God. Some years ago, that church went mainline. However, my friend (who is an alcoholic and on lots of medications, psychotropic and otherwise) and quite a few others didn't want to belong to a mainline Christian church and split up in to little groups. The non-mainliners are not a cohesive unit, but belong to different groups with names like "Harvest," and "The Vine." Weird!

  Human beings are too neurotic and uninformed (regardless of the availability of information) ever to be rational in their philosophies and choices.

  Regards,

  SandraC
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  A bit of a rant... the selfishness of older generations

  by cedars in

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  i was talking to mrs cedars earlier about one of the things that really frustrates me about our situation as "faders" - namely the fact that we are looked down on by our respective parents, not to mention other older generations of our family.

  it strikes me that the incessant attempts to drag us back into unquestioned loyalty to the organization is actually extremely selfish, even though (in their minds) they have only our best interests at heart.. i think of it this way.

  they made a decision when they were younger to follow in the footsteps of their own parents' faith - without doing objective research into the beliefs or history of the organization.

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  Mum

  Most families have this illness to some degree. My mother could not believe that I got a divorce. She told me once, "You're the last one of my kids I would have expected to get a divorce." Because I was the best behaved of her brood, she thought that meant I cared more about what others thought than what was best for all concerned. Why? Because that's how she lived her life. She was willing to go so far as to give me money for medical treatment (because my husband made an issue of a visit to the doctor after I had not gone to a doctor for 5 years).

  As Rational Witness (who no longer posts here apparently) once said, "Image is everything."

  Parents want us to validate them and their riduculous choices. Their job was to teach us to become who we really are.

  Regards,

  SandraC
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  I am beginning to wonder

  by mouthy in

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  why am i closing all the threads.

  i am so sorry if i dont give the right answer.

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  Mum

  If you are closing threads, you must be giving the "right" answer. I used to post on a JW discussion board called "H20." I told my daughter that I got very few replies to my posts. She said it was because I didn't give them anything controversial to raise their hackles.

  There are no "right" answers here, just a large, diverse group of people with different perspectives. That's what makes it fun.

  Keep closin' 'em, sweetie.

  Regards,

  SandraC
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  Happy belated b day to me: 30 years old on Feb 16th.

  by Joliette in

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  thought the world was gonna end between 2000 and 2010. can't believe its still here.

  been on jwn for almost three year now.

  damn it feels like heaven on earth to be an apostate!

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  Mum

  Happy belated birthday, Joliette and mercedes!
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  Will Dissfellowshiped ones die at argamegedon?

  by Chichi89 in

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  any thoughts?.

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  Mum

  Chichi: This is the first post I've seen from you since you were in such despair that you wanted to die. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we're glad you decided to stick around. My ex brother-in-law was a psychiatrist, and he said that most people just need a period of adjustment and a reality check when they are suicidal.

  I read about a young girl about 12-13 years old who was disfellowshipped because she was raped by a neighbor for whom she babysat. I don't think Jehovah/God or anyone else for that matter would consider it justice to re-victimize her when she has already been victimized twice. Add to that the fact that she's a child, and OMG!

  I would like you to stop worrying and start living. Why do you think God is so petty and mean? You might benefit by psychological counseling. I hope there is a free clinic in your town if you are unable to pay.

  Take care of yourself. Everything will be fine.

  Regards,

  SandraC
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  Another probe of the Governing Body theory

  by QC in

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  note the activity topology of spiritually "gifted" faithful religiously pure network of individual christians sustaining the therapeia (qerapeiavhousehold for spiritual cure) lu 12:42under the leadership of jesus in heaven.

  all accomplished by autonomous ecclesia without central control from jerusalem.

  this is the model antecedent for today's class of individual "faithful discreet" slaves.

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  Two thumbs up!
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  When dealing with the Watchtower, Do you feel sometimes?........

  by suavojr in

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  is not easy to break the chains!!!.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upw-3e_pzqu.

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  Mum

  You can take charge of your thoughts and emotions. I recommend that you read Dr. Wayne Dyer's first book, entitled Your Erroneous Zones. This book deals with emotions such as anger, guilt, and worry and gives you strategies for coping with and/or eliminating them. When your thoughts are out of control, read something that will persuade you to think differently.

  When it comes to family, Dr. Dyer makes it clear that your self-worth has nothing to do with how others view you. If your mother does not love you, it is her issue, not yours, unless you make it so. Don't give your family or your feelings permission to rule over you. Write down a list of your goals as a free individual. Then make a list of strategies you need to implement to reach those goals. I guarantee that none of them will be worrying about what your family or anyone else thinks of you.

  Take baby steps. Tomorrow, give yourself one hour to be just yourself regardless of what anyone thinks about it. Then add a half hour a day until you are completely free.

  Wishing you the best,

  SandraC