loz - If it's conditional, it ain't love.
wannabefree - you have a PM
was talking with blackman the other day and reflecting on our past and we were discussing some trials we went thru together, namely bethel.
our friendship has endured thru days of pioneering together, bethel and now full fledged post jw apostasy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.
what we were talking about was other friends of ours who went thru and endured some severe bullshit at bethel.
loz - If it's conditional, it ain't love.
wannabefree - you have a PM
was talking with blackman the other day and reflecting on our past and we were discussing some trials we went thru together, namely bethel.
our friendship has endured thru days of pioneering together, bethel and now full fledged post jw apostasy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.
what we were talking about was other friends of ours who went thru and endured some severe bullshit at bethel.
So true.
The "Brotherhood" concept was one of the main things that attracted me to JWs in the first place.
I was quite disillusioned when I discovered that it too was one of the many lies of the WTBTS's "theology."
It's so much nicer to have real family and friends that love me for WHO I am and not WHAT I believe; or should I say, "Pretend to love me for WHAT I pretend to believe"?
00DAD
here is a little story for you.
i have a cat that has always been a little feral and doesn't get along with the other cats socially.
one of my cats decided he was going to bully this poor guy and worry him sick.
I'm getting my claws back and my coat is now nice and shiny!
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my wife and i were invited to dinner by a coworker of hers.
DBNC, Don't be too hard on the poor, little bitch. She's in a cult!
Actually, that's just what your friend needs to do: reclaim his balls and give his wife a hard time, if you know what I'm saying.
In my experience, a woman that's been properly made love to is a quite docile and pleasant creature.
I know I'm certainly a lot nicer to be around when I've been well-taken care of!
00DAD
in case you have noticed, several websites that are managed and administered by me are down.
at this moment i do not know specifically why, but my hosting company (secureserver.net) tells me only that it is due to a "copyright infringement.
" i do not even know which of the 30 some sites might actually have the claimed infringement and so far all i've been told is that there is a claim and that i have to email a certain group and they will get back to me.. i have no idea when these sites will come back on line.
wasblind - You're so right. There's plenty of stuff in their public-ations that exposes their errors, lies and hypocrisy.
But we gotta' keep in mind an important aspect of the mentality of the WT Leaders: They're Control Freaks!
Controllers gotta' control. It's what they do.
When they create something that is only meant to be an internal, private correspondence and it becomes public that infuriates them. Why? Because they can't control it.
It's all about the loss of control. It's doubly damaging that it further exposes flawed, damaging policies.
This brings up a couple of questions I'd like to address to JuanViejo2:
Just a thought!
00DAD
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my wife and i were invited to dinner by a coworker of hers.
DBNC - No balls AND no backbone! Your friend sounds like a jellyfish! Sorry, but you made me laugh. He must have some redeeming qualities or I'm sure he wouldn't be your friend.
At any rate, it is nice to hear that you and your wife are getting out of all of this nonsense and you're doing in together!
00DAD
in case you have noticed, several websites that are managed and administered by me are down.
at this moment i do not know specifically why, but my hosting company (secureserver.net) tells me only that it is due to a "copyright infringement.
" i do not even know which of the 30 some sites might actually have the claimed infringement and so far all i've been told is that there is a claim and that i have to email a certain group and they will get back to me.. i have no idea when these sites will come back on line.
drewcoul: how you can claim copyright protection on something that doesn't have a copyright. And what makes it a good idea if its not necessary?
You're confusing a copyright notice with ownership rights. I understand that copyrights are confusing. Also, the law varies from country to country. In the last few decades the trend has been toward an internationally consistent set of laws.
Here's a link to some information concerning US Copyright law from the US Copyright Office:
Here are a few relevant excerpts from that article:
What Is Copyright?
Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U. S. Code) to the authors of “original works of authorship,” including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:
• reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords
• prepare derivative works based upon the work
• distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending
• perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works
• display the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work
• perform the work publicly (in the case of sound recordings*) by means of a digital audio transmission
How to Secure a Copyright
Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequentlymisunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is “created” when it is fixed in a copy.
Notice of Copyright
The use of a copyright notice is no longer required under U. S. law, although it is often beneficial. Because prior law did contain such a requirement, however, the use of notice is still relevant to the copyright status of older works. - [Emphasis added]
Notice was required under the 1976 Copyright Act. This requirement was eliminated when the United States adhered to the Berne Convention, effective March 1, 1989.
Use of the notice may be important because it informs the public that the work is protected by copyright, identifies the copyright owner, and shows the year of first publication. Furthermore, in the event that a work is infringed, if a proper notice of copyright appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant’s interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in section 504(c)(2) of the copyright law. Innocent infringement occurs when the infringer did not realize that the work was protected. - [Emphasis added]
Form of Notice for Visually Perceptible Copies
The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the following three elements:
1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word “Copyright,” or the abbreviation “Copr.”; and
2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of compilations or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful article; and
3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.
Example: © 2011 John Doe
Again, I'm not sure that copyright law would apply to an internal document such as a business letter. That seems to be a stretch. It wouldn't be the first time the WTBTS tried to make such a claim.
They're bullies. Bullies gotta' bully!
00DAD
in case you have noticed, several websites that are managed and administered by me are down.
at this moment i do not know specifically why, but my hosting company (secureserver.net) tells me only that it is due to a "copyright infringement.
" i do not even know which of the 30 some sites might actually have the claimed infringement and so far all i've been told is that there is a claim and that i have to email a certain group and they will get back to me.. i have no idea when these sites will come back on line.
A copyright notice is not necessary, (although it's generally a good idea). Copyright laws concern intellectual properties.
It seems an unusual assertion from the WTBTS to claim copyright infringement concerning the unauthorized dissemination of a business letter, but as the authors of it, they would have the exclusive right to make copies and authorize who may or may not do so.
The reality is that the WTBTS simply does not want their internal documents made public for reasons that are hopefully obvious. When those documents are made public it exposes them in a variety of ways. They don't want this so they do what lawyers do: exploit any and all legal theories to get their way.
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my wife and i were invited to dinner by a coworker of hers.
DBNC: His wife- the server- doesn’t like that I left and wont let him hang out with me when she’s around
Sounds like your buddy needs to grow some!
Snarky comments aside, I'm glad to hear you and your wife are making new friends and enjoying yourself.
You're overdue!
00DAD
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