Posts by mustang

thats what happens when you use the untrained witness slaves to build everything in order to save money.they build a pile of crap.edited by - sleepy on 16 june 2002 7:7:51.

mustang

HOMEbutHIDING,

Good name; must be intense Field Service in your neighborhood.

One really minor but good illustration of the DOCTRINAL FLIP-FLOP is the answer to the question on the resurrection of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Somebody actually keeps track of this one. I believe the count is now up to 8 different answers.

Mustang

Edited by - mustang on 16 June 2002 13:59:20

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District Overbeer???

by comforter in

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i am genuinely perplexed by the signature of valis.

what do the words, district overbeer mean?

that does not make any sense.

mustang

He worked long and hard for this, spending many years as an Underbeer. Let's let him "enjoy the moment".

Mustang

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In all modesty...I "HOLED IN ONE" TOD...

by idaho in

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to golflovers.

i just had to write it.

today i holed in one on my local.

A golf course in the USA held a tournament and offered a $10,000 prize for a hole in one during tournament play. My brother SOLD THEM AN INSURANCE POLICY for this possibility!!! (I believe Lloyds of London took the action.)

He was still "in" back then. So, I asked him, "Isn't this somehow related to GAMBLING?".

Ummmh, er, hmmmm, YES...

Congratz, Idaho.

Mustang

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Edited by - mustang on 16 June 2002 13:34:38

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Attorney's response-Minors-baptism-verbl-cntract

by Cappuccino OC in

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this is the response that an attorney, practicing in the state of ca, responded to my question if minors are bound the verbal contract (questions 1, 2 given after the baptism talk).

"nice to hear from you.

in response to your question, although i am not a contracts attorney (i have some knowledge in the area), in my opionion, i don't believe that you can contract with a minor and force a minor to perform under the contract.

mustang

Cheer up, all; this does need to be pursued.

These discussions will bring ideas to the surface and SHOULD CONTINUE. I'm not sure its down for the count, just a tough row to hoe.

Now do you really like "Once a witness always a witness"???? Consider some alternatives. Note a comment on DFing in this post:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29728&site=3

Perhaps, a sword cuts both ways. If they can hide behind a law, they can be trapped by it , too!!!!

Mustang

Nothing that I write or utter is to be considered legal advice. Consult proper counsel for such matters. Further, all that I write or utter, is protected by religious freedom under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as the "free exercise", as well as "freedom of speech" clauses.

Edited by - mustang on 11 June 2002 2:34:51

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Attorney's response-Minors-baptism-verbl-cntract

by Cappuccino OC in

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this is the response that an attorney, practicing in the state of ca, responded to my question if minors are bound the verbal contract (questions 1, 2 given after the baptism talk).

"nice to hear from you.

in response to your question, although i am not a contracts attorney (i have some knowledge in the area), in my opionion, i don't believe that you can contract with a minor and force a minor to perform under the contract.

mustang

Where to begin? Its not always simple as the first blush....

This is being discussed by others and has been discussed before, though, maybe not as vigorously. And there are other strong discussions of this currently going on.

1: Check into RATIFICATION. If you continued on as a JW as an adult, after passing your age of majority, it could be considered that you RATIFIED the CONTRACT. (This is similar to using your Credit Card AFTER the 10% rate hike. That usage of the Credit Card RATIFIES your approval of the new rate. Read the fine print.) Similar arguments are held for ANNULMENT of Baptism. See a recent thread (~9 June 02) with ANNULMENT in the title.

YOUR PERSONAL CIRCUMSTANCES WILL CHANGE THIS ALL OVER THE LANDSCAPE.

2: FINE PRINT. Therein lies a good question: where is all this JW "fine print". Frankly, you wont see it UNTIL you take on Brooklyn with a lawyer. Then they roll out 20 tons of cases that have been fought before. Now, not all of them REALLY won and not all of them are completely in their favor. Some may only be fragments of arguments that could have been settled either way. See Alan Fs dissertation on this (under Osarif website, I believe). Metratron or Amazing( I think) mentioned that LACK OF DISCLOSURE is probably a better basis for an approach; it may have to be combined with something else.

LACK OF DISCLOSURE may be a more powerful contender, for the future, though UNDERAGE BAPTISM could get a ball rolling.

3: These things dont necessary fall under SECULAR LAW. Most WTS actions come under CHURCH LAW, which is alive and well. I have several pages of precedents that have been used to knock the props out from under most such discussions. WTS is not alone; many Churches have used these and they all ultimately fall into bed with each other by copying.

Church Law essentially allows ALL Church decisions to be viewed as a LAW FROM A SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT, until or unless the CHURCH LAW violates a secular CRIMINAL LAW. So, unless the Church is involved in a felony, the SECULAR COURT bows out, due to JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES. Secular Courts have been known to say "...we are not competent to adjudicate this matter".

This assumes that the offended party has agreed to the Churchs ARTICLE OF FAITH or such. These become a DE FACTO law and the Church is allowed RELIGIOUS TRIBUNALS and even PUNISHMENTS (i.e DF/DAing).

SINCE YOU WOULD BE ATTACKING THE VERY STRONG FOUNDATION AND A MAIN SECRET OF THE RELIGIOUS EMPIRE, expect a big disagreement leading to a fight from WTS; expect no help from the Secular Court. They will bow out faster than your hat can hit the ground. On the Civil front, you can fight this as FAR AS YOUR POCKETBOOK WILL TAKE YOU and the outcome is likely a crap shoot favoring Brooklyn.

I am not a WTS exponent but I have observed this for over half a century and have studied the annals further back than that.

There are other approaches and a huge amount of reference material is available. Do not give up, this is worth doing and somebody may come up with a way to approach this. I feel that this idea will have merit in time, when combined with other approaches.

You should follow the other threads, with Amazing and Dutchie.

There's more...

Mustang

Nothing that I write or utter is to be considered legal advice. Consult proper counsel for such matters. Further, all that I write or utter, is protected by religious freedom under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as the "free exercise", as well as "freedom of speech" clauses.

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New Date for Armageddon - 2015

by Dawn in

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the following is a message from another jw forum i visited:.

i came across a scripture (genesis 15:16) which says that god's people would return "in the fourth generation".

true, it doesn't say where in the fourth generation but as they were to be in egypt for 430 years then if they return in the fourth we're looking at generations being divided up into approx.

mustang

Professor,

It is really messed up; line lengths at least 200 characters & other stuff.

Looks like some changes going on with posting too; Double spacing, strange colors.

Hey where's the SIGNATURE TURN-ON OPTION?????????

SIMON!!!!!! He does things on Sunday nights; chaos to havoc????

Mustang

Edited by - mustang on 10 June 2002 2:7:50

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A Timely warning regarding Disfellowshipping. A Mu

by MARTINLEYSHON in

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i have been disfellowshipped for 2 weeks.

my story the shortened version.. i left the organisation 2years 2 months ago.

i live 25 miles from the kingdom hall that i attended for 29 years, man and boy.

mustang

Could you not REPUDIATE the DF’ing in a Legal Notice in your local newspapers? Could you not do this in national newspapers which are also available in your area?

Has not the Secular Courts of the land ruled that you can be DF’d by the use of this JUDICIAL TRIBUNAL OF THE CHURCH? (Such Precedents have been posted on this board.) Does not the Secular Court state that they are ‘not competent’ to rule on this matter? Does not the Secular court say that this is a RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCE which is thereby inadmissible for their consideration?

Would not your disagreement then also be inadmissible? Would not your public notice be a part of your religious rights??? Would not this be the same as if you were another Church, in yourself? Would not this be a case of a religious squabble that Secular Law has recused itself from being able to review??

Did they not fail to follow their own rules and are therefore not self-consistent?? Did they not expect publicity? (“...high profile...”)

Is AUTOMATIC DISASSOCIATING something that you really did?? Would it not be a matter of dispute, for someone else to make a DECISION FOR YOU?

Mustang

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Monkeys one step closer to taking over

by bboyneko in

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.. http://www.cnn.com/2002/tech/science/06/06/science.movement.reut/index.html.

soon your puny planet will be in our hands.

monkeys implanted with special electrodes moved a cursor on a computer screen just by thinking about it, and learned how to do it better with practice, scientists reported on thursday.

mustang

You love beer: it hit me after you left chat. No, I didn't look it it up.

Mustang

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Viruses on XJW-central mailing list?

by Bendrr in

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configmg device: root\*pnp0c01\0000.

configmg device: root\*pnp0c00\0000.

configmg device: bios\*pnp0000\00.

mustang

Not necessarily: this may be a diagnostic program. This one looks similar to Norton's old SysInfo type programs. The exe runs and 'dumps' what it finds in a system scan to the text file. The jury is still out, but being paranoid is smart.

Mustang
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