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  Sychelles Island crash proved you can't land a plane on water!

  by Witness 007 in

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  i was an advocate of the idea that a sea landing is beyond impossible for any pilot.

  some years ago terrorists hijack a plane in africa and demand to be flown to australia.

  the pilot runs out of fuel at the sychelles islands and ditches in the sea with most passengers dead or drowned.

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  W007:

  Given favorable conditions, (relatively smooth water and no crosswind) ditchings are very possible. If you don't have control problems (unusual attitudes, extreme adverse yaw [engine out], bad rudder damage) and can make a normal approach, you have a very good chance.

  The Navy has been known to sink floating planes that didn't have the decency to sink, something about a "menace to navigation".

  There are likely hundreds of successful ditchings on record. While you don't practice them, they are usually mentioned in flight school. Navy pilots ARE given training on what to do AFTER the plane stops. For them, its "just another day at the office": i.e. a fact of life in their profession.

  And most of the Operations Manuals that I have read have a "Preparation for Water Landing" section (one of the red edged pages).

  I sat through a discussion on ditchings and have never done one; now, I wish they had covered blowing a tire...

  Mustang
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  Idea for DA letter

  by watson in

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  i am not taking lightly the efforts of those that have written da letters in the past.

  it takes a lot of guts.. but, has anyone ever thought of trying something like this?.

  to the body of elders, happy mountain congregation of jehovah's witnesses,.

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  mustang

  Of course, you could always "DA" the Martin Luther way: nail 95 theses to the Church house door

  Mustang
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  Idea for DA letter

  by watson in

  1. jw
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  i am not taking lightly the efforts of those that have written da letters in the past.

  it takes a lot of guts.. but, has anyone ever thought of trying something like this?.

  to the body of elders, happy mountain congregation of jehovah's witnesses,.

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  mustang

  The reason to make it so simple is that I don't think the elders really read the DA letters. As soon as they get a wiff of apostasy, I think they shut down.

  JT, former poster here and ex-Bethelite, maintained that the Elders/JC "would not give you a forum". You weren't to be allowed to preach to them or to expound on your "private thoughts". They would only listen long enough to let you "incriminate yourself". Once they have their "evidence" their ears shut down and the conversation becomes one-way.

  The same would go for a DA letter: about the only things that would get their attention or divert them from the normal path are legal threats.

  Granted, long letters airing all of our issues may be cathartic, but I'm not convinced they have much impact on the elders reading them.

  Bingo: this has all been done before. The WTS knows all about it and has long ago done what they needed to do to train the elders to IGNORE objections. This is a subtle part of the training that Elders get, more of that "mental regulating". If they didn't do this, they would have defections from the exposure to alien thoughts.

  I wonder if part of this training doesn't "harden the hearts" of the elders. This would make them unreceptive to the pleas of one under examination. I'm not sure that these "mentally regulated" robots would recognize repentance.

  Oompa: they read them with "blinders" on; the "mental regulating" of their training puts them in a "zombie mode".

  I'm with foreverfree: let the Elders be the last to know!!!

  Mustang
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  No more book study nights !!!!!

  by Iwonder17 in

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  so i went to our "last" book study night last night.

  there were actually people crying during the last prayer !!!!

  omg.

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  If you skip one, then you are just "going to church on Sunday" like the rest of the "world"

  5 days a week with no meetings means that JW's are now more susceptible to worldly influence. JW's will realize they are happier with less meetings- skip one more meeting a week and they are down to just one for the week. If they do this very many weeks in a row the WT mind control could begin to crack.

  and that is those slackers that would rather miss a two hour meeting than a one hour meeting with possibly closer friends and some great food and close social interaction with them..

  All good reasons to watch this one. Makes you wonder if they (WTS HQ) are really trying to get rid of "oompa's slackers"

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  1975 Pep rallies or Pep Talks?

  by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

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  2. friends

  there is a young elder from southern california that is working from the inside to help doubters to leave.

  he goes by olin moyle jw elder on yahoo.

  answers.

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  Funny, Mustang.

  I rolled the dice: they said JW/WTS = LOSER!!!!

  They couldn't prophesy their way out of an open paper bag: why would they get this one right

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  1975 Pep rallies or Pep Talks?

  by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a young elder from southern california that is working from the inside to help doubters to leave.

  he goes by olin moyle jw elder on yahoo.

  answers.

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  I left @ THE END of 1974: my last meeting was the last meeting of 1974, whatever that one was. January 1975, no more attendance.

  I know that WTS was soft-pedaling and pussy footing around after a first blast of THIS IS THE END. I think they dug out the 1925 fiasco, where they clearly said, in black and white WTS quotes, that 1925 would be THE END.

  But what I do remember is that they stressed highly that the end WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, so they instituted the SIX MONTH STUDY: six months and give them the ULTIMATUM. Then move on to the next study, time was too short to waste on a long protracted study.

  This is very telling support of this business, although their general tactic was to suggest and let it get out of hand and come in on the backside with plausible deniability.

  How very political, how very machiavellian :)

  The other thing was that WTS made that comment about "those brothers selling their houses and pioneering until the end; what a good use of their last time in this system of things" (paraphrased). That endorsement dilutes their plausible deniability scheme.

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  Would you drink a glass of water with just 1 drop of poison in?

  by stillajwexelder in

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  would you drink a glass of water with just 1 drop of poison in?.

  that is an illustration i have heard well over 1 dozen times?

  we need pure waters of truth -why touch anything tainted by chrsitendom.

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  I once trained an Anesthesiologist in Electronics. He was very impressed with the technology and me. And he had done some breakthrough technology himself. He wanted me to go back to school and come work with him.

  I commented that I had an aptitude for and great interest in chemistry; I particularly was intrigued by poisons. He replied: "Good!! Everything I use is poison!!!"

  So, my question is: which particular poison; maybe, maybe not.

  This illustrates a logical fallacy (perhaps a new type?) that JW's excel @: "proof by analogy" (or metaphor, folk tale, urban legend, parable, fable, allegory, legend, moralizing story, simile, or anecdote).

  As I have recently said, JW's are good @ this sort of verbal manipulation.

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  Armagheddon....

  by Country Girl in

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  i know it's old for us, but for me i never stop being scared.. remember the old paradise book, how a little kid and a bicycle were going down a big crack in the earth?

  remember the picture of satan on fire?

  i never forgot that stuff.

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  Though I was born-in and also had that damn book I never really took that imagary to heart. Didn't really believe it. I guess being a bookworm of secular books may have helped with that.

  Same here, Mrs. Jones. I think you have put your finger on it!!!

  I recall that Solomon said (I am paraphrasing, so may have embellished): to the making of books there is no end; much devotion to them is wearisome to the soul.

  That "much devotion to them" tells you that 1) this is just another book, 2) there will be more and 3) maybe one of these days I'll get to the bottom of this.

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  Armagheddon....

  by Country Girl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know it's old for us, but for me i never stop being scared.. remember the old paradise book, how a little kid and a bicycle were going down a big crack in the earth?

  remember the picture of satan on fire?

  i never forgot that stuff.

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  There was another thread, maybe 6 months ago, that dealt with how JW's viewed this (i.e. Armageddon real and frightening, nightmares and so forth). I went through and tabulated all who commented. I had about 40 reponses, after eliminating some who were 'off topic' or non-commital. The results: an even 20% of us were unaffected as children by the boogey-man approach of WTS.

  So, Brooklyn is 80% effective @ scaring the bee-jeezus out of little kids. Now, how about some figures on "Retention" of adults?

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  "We Are No Longer Minutes Aways From The New System ---We Are Seconds"

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  that's the latest being circulated from our dear witness friends and relatives.

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  I remember the illustration using a pencil and the speaker would start at the eraser and go down the pencil. We are at the lead, no brothers and sisters we are at the point, the tip of the lead of this pencil. Very dramatic. This was years ago, wonder where we are at on that pencil now?

  Yet another boring analogy.

  This illustrates a logical fallacy (perhaps a new type?) that JW's excel @: "proof by analogy" (or metaphor, folk tale, urban legend, parable, fable, allegory, legend, moralizing story, simile, or anecdote).

  Mustang