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The WT really likes to get mired in the mind-numbing details of dates and numbers. I like things simple...
Option 1: Every single thing you see and hear is a total accident.
Option 2: There is a creator.
Agreed Jon Dough. I don't think it's possible to tell from the Bible what the age of humanity is. 4 thousand? 4 million? Who cares. The questions I care about are, Who is Jesus? and Why did he come? The answers to those questions could have an actual impact on my life.
i teach in a public high school.
my favorite student is a 17 year old great kid named tyler.
i teach band so he's been my student for 6 years now.
From Moshe: If they learn anything in school, it should be: become a logical thinker and how to identify fallacies of argument, which is rife in the Watchtower. - and those leading weasel words and damn pronouns the Watchtower uses to keep JWs dumb and under control.
Thanks for the link to the old topic Moshe! Hmm... I wonder if it would be possible to get some similar type of writing from advertising or a politician and teach my class how to recognize that they're being manipulated ...without setting off any "Opposer" bells in my young JW heads?
I'm sure they'd be wondering, "What on earth does this have to do with Mozart"?
i teach in a public high school.
my favorite student is a 17 year old great kid named tyler.
i teach band so he's been my student for 6 years now.
Thanks for all the insight. 2 years ago I had zero JW students, today I have 9 from 5 different families. I've read almost every JW exit counselling book out there including both of Hassan's. I'm glad I did my homework and have shared info carefully & correctly with their parents. After an evening band practice there have been as many as 20 JWs gathered together. At this point, I think some of them are kind of "figuring me out". I even got a little talk from their elder. The kids love me and love my class. The younger ones run up and give me a hug. I try to give my JW kids a little extra attention daily and a little extra information their senior year.
i teach in a public high school.
my favorite student is a 17 year old great kid named tyler.
i teach band so he's been my student for 6 years now.
I teach grades 6 thru 12 everyday (11-18 year olds) so I almost get a part in raising some of my students. Mostly encouraging feedback here about Bethel. Tyler would never consider disappointing his parents. He does know about 1975, Beth Sarim, and other WTS's greatest hits. I have to think it's got to be eating at him somewhere inside. I know he's being pulled in every direction trying to make everyone happy, including me, which is impossible in this situation.
i teach in a public high school.
my favorite student is a 17 year old great kid named tyler.
i teach band so he's been my student for 6 years now.
I teach in a public high school. My favorite student is a 17 year old great kid named Tyler. I teach band so he's been my student for 6 years now. I found out 7 months ago his entire family have become JWs in the past 2 years. He managed to hide it from me as long as he could. He's so smart, so mature, so personable, I actually considered him a friend. His parents have become hard-core. No more girlfriend for him, no dramas or musicals, he had to delete all his non-JW Facebook friends, he's not allowed to speak to his Christian (best friends since 4th grade) anymore. He also is not allowed to speak to me. His parents told me not to speak to him but, of course I still do and he responds to me. So far, he's still in my class.
I found out he is going to visit Bethel twice next summer. Does this mean he's thinking of attending Bethel? If he does, will this increase or decrease his chances of leaving someday? I've heard it's a miserable place. He could do or be anything he wanted to, and now this had to happen to him. He seems fully indoctrinated himself. Will attending Bethel convince him it's not "God's spirit led organization" like I was unable to do? I case you can't tell, I'm grasping for good news.
hello jwn friends for a few years now ive been feeling that i would like to attend a church on occasion or regularly.
somewhere thats not trinitarian but is christian and that is very bible based, any suggestions?
ive been looking into quakerism and it looks pretty good so far..
Hi Freedom,
Most towns / cities have a "community" church which is non-denominational. That might be a nice place to begin. The only way you can know is by trying it out. DON'T get frustrated, it may take a while to find the right "fit" for you. I visited 8-10 different churches until I found a great one that I love. I don't know what kind of music you like, but don't be surprised that many churches use drumset, guitars, etc.
Hmm... I'm not sure the Quakers would qualify for "very Bible based" since they accept any religious document (Koran, etc..) as truth.
Best wishes!
http://vidego.multicastmedia.com/player.php?p=v484wy8d.
click on third video to the right..
The only one he shared was asking, "Do you really believe Christ returned invisibly in 1914?" I'm sure by reflex any JW will say "yes" but I suppose the point is getting them to think about that question later.
The best book I've read for providing tons of thinking questions is Wilbur Lingel's "Approaching JWs in Love"... great resource.
http://vidego.multicastmedia.com/player.php?p=v484wy8d.
click on third video to the right..
Thanks a lot Koolaid for the link. What a wonderful story of what God can do.
I love how Joe Hewitt has managed to get rid of all his WT-induced anger and now seems to have real peace/joy.
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i miss fred7777...he was one helluva an apostate.
though his time here was brief he will not be forgotten..
"The Quadruple Seven Rap"
I knew a guy, his name was Fred
Inspired three others, with just one thread
Didn't feel completed, until he was deleted
Wanted to be removed, 'cause we weren't Jehovah approved
Why he stayed on for a year, is now not entirely clear
But when he discovers the group that he's in, we'll welcome him back here again.
i'm so curious, why they're not celebrating their birthdays?
is it just because jesus don't celebrate it and it's not written in the bible that they celebrated the birthday of jesus?
or is it written in the bible not to celebrate birthday?
The actual answer is one of the main goals of any cult is to isolate it's members from family / friends / society as much as possible. The organization has a different "biblical" excuse for each holiday or family get-together it doesn't allow its members to attend. Except Thanksgiving, I guess that's just a "because we said so" holiday avoidance. Sad.
