and may you all have peace!
this is another general question for the board and i ask your indulgence because i am trying to understand how others think.
if there truly is no god/god... what is wrong with the existence of religion?
Wobble, excuse me?
Are you UNAWARE of the use of fluoride in water to destroy human brains; depleted uranium in armaments, faulty vaccines, nuclear-warmed power stations on top of quake fault lines;
pharmaceuticals and genetically altered grains ARE DESTROYING human and biological life?
Do you think these are ACCIDENTS OF NATURE?
Shouldn't somebody or ANYBODY BE ACCOUNTABLE for these assaults upon Life itself?
Accountability. Is this a concept that makes sense or no sense to you?
and may you all have peace!
this is another general question for the board and i ask your indulgence because i am trying to understand how others think.
if there truly is no god/god... what is wrong with the existence of religion?
All talk of "speaking in the Name of God" is absurd if God is perceived as a Ninny or a Tyrant.
The belief in God, I think, has more to do with accountability for effects (of cause-and-effect relations) in time than it does with any particular form of organization.
Hierarchy is typically a very bad and very destructive form of non-consensual governance in which a few Elites cop off with everything; and most are slaves.
WTBTS is a perfect example of Elites copping off with everything, leaving the members to founder.
YET--Humans who prey on others, or who parasite off society must be corrected, somehow, some way or other. Or society goes nuts.
Organized Religion attempt to do this by connecting mankind's "freewill" into a God-paradigm in which judgments about effects REGULARLY OCCUR.
Atheists and agnostics seem particularly resistent to being held accountable for HARM they CAUSE and undue costs they produce upon the innocent and naive.
The epistles of Paul EXCUSE ALL CHRISTIANS from all necessity to pursue Law-ful behavior; so in effect, Paul let the wolves loose again.
In the Urantia Book model, God remains silently in the background because mankind is learning how to treat each other and treat the planet with care.
In reality, neither of these objectives has been met by civil society in this era and time. In fact, Mankind is a bunch of war-profiting polluters and not-see hangers-on.
So, what now?
and may you all have peace!
this is another general question for the board and i ask your indulgence because i am trying to understand how others think.
if there truly is no god/god... what is wrong with the existence of religion?
What PSacramento said makes sense to me.
Religion has nothing to do with the Physics of Creation nor the Personalities that inhabit the Universe.
Religion simply creates DOGMA and places all reality in convenient and comfortable categories and then forces its members to assent to its constructs.
I have refused to limit my thinking to their categories; so I don't fit in anywhere.
If I were to hAve a reason to come to a place like this, here is what it would be.
There's a site called "MeetUp," and it's simple and cheap to set up any sort of group for any purpose, any goal. $30 a month, and you have everything you need.
There is NO church where I live that meets my needs for conversation, mutual support and mutual interests, period. In six years, I can't find one.
So, if I were to set up such a Group, what would I call it? How would I configure it? Who would be a target audience for a small local Sabbath meeting place?
What would necessarily be its defining Reality?
That's what I'm working on.
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this was some of the most blatant , aggressive , controlling information i've seen in awhile in the " witness only " version of the wt.
of course, it's always blatant, but the manner that was used in this article was so authoritative and demanding - it's apparent the wt society is losing members and they are amping up the control tactics to keep members trapped.
the article in discussion is on pg.
Agreed.
What they did know was how to set up an Occult Hierarchy, keep secrets and confidentiality, and invest other peoples' work in what they wanted.
None of those "skills" was derived out of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. This is clear.
years (many decades) ago, most jws knew what their religion taught.
they could go toe to toe with a minister or priest and make some good points.. i believe today's witness knows little about most of the convoluted teachings and revisions of the "truth".
yesteryear's witnesses got a 9/10.
Yes, I'm catching up. I'm slow, always was slow to catch on.
And the reason this is confusing for me is that being a JW was NEVER for me, about "knowledge."
It was about where my loyalties went, which is more about "feelings" than knowledge.
years (many decades) ago, most jws knew what their religion taught.
they could go toe to toe with a minister or priest and make some good points.. i believe today's witness knows little about most of the convoluted teachings and revisions of the "truth".
yesteryear's witnesses got a 9/10.
I was a very, very ODD JW.
And nothing has changed, has it?
Ohh. I figured out the scoring system. JRK rates himself a 2.5 on a scale of 10, how knowledgeable he was.
I figure, that doesn't matter at all.
Knowledge isn't entirely the issue, is it?
years (many decades) ago, most jws knew what their religion taught.
they could go toe to toe with a minister or priest and make some good points.. i believe today's witness knows little about most of the convoluted teachings and revisions of the "truth".
yesteryear's witnesses got a 9/10.
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years (many decades) ago, most jws knew what their religion taught.
they could go toe to toe with a minister or priest and make some good points.. i believe today's witness knows little about most of the convoluted teachings and revisions of the "truth".
yesteryear's witnesses got a 9/10.
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JRK, would you like to explain, please?
Or is it a private joke?
years (many decades) ago, most jws knew what their religion taught.
they could go toe to toe with a minister or priest and make some good points.. i believe today's witness knows little about most of the convoluted teachings and revisions of the "truth".
yesteryear's witnesses got a 9/10.
Group-Think is an angelic phenomenon.
Their group-process becomes more important to them than the outcome of logic or reason.
All we can do for them is pray, that Truth is allowed to straighten them out.
this was some of the most blatant , aggressive , controlling information i've seen in awhile in the " witness only " version of the wt.
of course, it's always blatant, but the manner that was used in this article was so authoritative and demanding - it's apparent the wt society is losing members and they are amping up the control tactics to keep members trapped.
the article in discussion is on pg.
Yes, the outcome was known EVEN before the Watchtower ever wrote its articles.
I do believe the WT society realizes Witnesses were already dumbed down before they even started indoctrinating them . And then the WT society furthered the damage that the Rockefellers already started. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
