Posts by cedars

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Congratulations Andy Murray!!

by cedars in

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the first british winner of wimbledon in 77 years.. it's been a long time coming!

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The first British winner of Wimbledon in 77 years.

It's been a long time coming!

Andy Murray wins Wimbledon final

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What piece of WT literature is worth holding onto, or have you kept? Why?

by losingit in

i have basically thrown away all of my bound volumes and loose wt and awake magazines.

i kept some bpoks, the insight to the scriptures, god's love, the reasoning book, and daniel's prophecies (this was my favorite) .

i held onto insight to the scriptures after reading some of ray franz's book, crisis of conscience.

I've kept a few books including the last decade of Yearbooks (handy for quickly checking on stats), the Concordance, the Proclaimers Book, my Insight volumes... most of these are available on CD-ROM, but books like the "Organized" book and my pioneer school book aren't. It's also good to have the illustrations in some of them. I don't believe in hoarding though. I used to have two shelves devoted to Society books, now it's just one.

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Anyone Live in or around Los Angeles?

by cantleave in

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i have a free day sunday and would love to meet up with a mentally diseased apostate.

i am staying in the lax marriott..

cedars

Bon voyage cantleave. Have a safe trip!

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Hi! I'm new here.

by abbasgreta in

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i have so enjoyed all your threads and input this last year!

i really feel like i know you all.

very briefly, all four of us left da troof exactly one year ago and dissed ourselves within days.

cedars

Welcome Greta, lovely to have you with us. You sound happy and content now that you are free from Watchtower's indoctrination, which is great to hear.

Since you are still very much a believer, you might find the following links interesting at some point. They are to websites/forums set up by Christian Ex-JWs. But for now, welcome to JWN!

Enjoy!

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Sparlock is helping Mormons

by cedars in

check out this awesome video - part 7 in a series where a mormon uses the witnesses as a proxy to figure out why his own faith is wrong.. sparlock, hassan's bite model, and even the 2013 "human apostates" convention talk all make cameos.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmesmlhydru.

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Glad to have you join in Qcmbr as JWN's resident Mormon apostate. Better late than never!

I would just like to temper my previous comments with the acknowledgment that, through my limited research, Mormonism strikes me as a religion with teachings that are less directly harmful to its adherents than JWs (i.e. no ban on blood transfusions, shunning admonition is less overt).

Even so, Mormonism manifests many if not all of the attributes of a cult, and some of its teachings stretch credulity even more so than Watchtower's twisted doctrines. (Hence my attempts to get Cold Steel to grapple with the outside world's acknowledgment of Joseph Smith's charlatanry.)

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Sparlock is helping Mormons

by cedars in

check out this awesome video - part 7 in a series where a mormon uses the witnesses as a proxy to figure out why his own faith is wrong.. sparlock, hassan's bite model, and even the 2013 "human apostates" convention talk all make cameos.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmesmlhydru.

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Cold Steel

If the Book of Mormon were a hoax, it would be less plausible in each succeeding year. And while there are still unanswered questions about the geography of the record, primarily in the Western Hemisphere, it becomes more plausible each year, not less.

Is that a reference to the fact that there is not one iota of archeological evidence that an ancient Jewish civilization once thrived in North America?

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Sparlock is helping Mormons

by cedars in

check out this awesome video - part 7 in a series where a mormon uses the witnesses as a proxy to figure out why his own faith is wrong.. sparlock, hassan's bite model, and even the 2013 "human apostates" convention talk all make cameos.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmesmlhydru.

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Cold Steel

Years ago when I first joined the church, I had people wave that part of the Book of Mormon under my nose and say, “Where’s that ‘river of water’ Nephi talks about? There are no such rivers in that part of Arabia!”

Yes, I am familiar with the "evidence" of which you speak.

However, the fact that Joseph Smith correctly guessed that there was a place in Arabia with trees and a river does not make him an inspired prophet, just an accomplished gambler.

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New member!!

by Viva la Vida in

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this is my first post even thou ive been lurking for some time.

i was raised in as a jw, and im still in because of my family.

since waking up i found meetings, assemblies and fs stressing and thought writing in here might be therapeutic.

cedars

Welcome Viva la Vida!

I'm with you entirely on Daniel 4. My total disbelief that this could possibly have any other fulfilment than a king going mad for 7 years is the reason I refuse to spend too much time researching the lack of historicity of the 607 BCE teaching.

As Daniel himself put it simply... "All this befell Neb·u·chad·nez′zar the king." (Daniel 4:28)

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Penton's Apocalypse Delayed

by Band on the Run in

i just started reading this book based on the recommendations of members.

it is the best book i have read on the witnesses.. i do become confused about the strands of american protestantism that nurtured the witnesses.

when i was young, i felt that russell miraculously came forward with the first correct interpretatin since apostolic times.

cedars

My copy arrived the other day, and I was not disappointed. A very good book to have on your shelf. Everything the Proclaimers Book should have been but never could be.

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Sparlock is helping Mormons

by cedars in

check out this awesome video - part 7 in a series where a mormon uses the witnesses as a proxy to figure out why his own faith is wrong.. sparlock, hassan's bite model, and even the 2013 "human apostates" convention talk all make cameos.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmesmlhydru.

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Cold Steel

Those two videos are not an answer to my question. The first video is an anal discussion speculating what a missing part of a papyrus may or may not have portrayed, and wrongly assumes that Abraham must be one of the figures depicted on the papyrus with absolutely no supporting evidence.

The second video attempts to refute any scholarly questions regarding the book of Abraham by painting scholarly treatments on the subject as transitory and subject to change. Mormon "experts" are wheeled in to impress us with their background and reassure us that everything's legit. It's all unnervingly similar to the kind of reasoning employed by Watchtower in trying to defend its 607 BCE date for the destruction of Jerusalem. "None of us were there at the time, so who can really say? There's no evidence that it DIDN'T happen. Therefore, it must have happened the way we say it did."

If I were a Mormon and I was presented with clear evidence that Joseph Smith misrepresented run-of-the-mill Egyptian funeral documents as being a missing book about Abraham, that would cause me to question not only the man himself but everything else he claimed to pen under 'inspiration.'

The man was clearly a fraud and a charlatan. It's a shame you can't see it.

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