as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.
the dpi is now taking them off the list.
the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.
Yea, I figured the movie 'trace' crap was just that. I mean caller id works instantly, and you don't think the phone co's tracing abilites are at least that good. Of course they are. But with these guys who knows, all it takes is a good little dub who works at the local phone co and blamo - free traces.
/of the paranoid class
as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.
the dpi is now taking them off the list.
the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.
Yes, Leander that would be interesting.
Re my call, they are giving NO information unless they determine it would 'not be used in a damaging' manner. Since I wouldn't give a name/phone # they won't speak about it. Typical. He won't even deal with the 'facts' of the matter because those 'facts' can be interprated badly if one is critical of the WTBTS. Well, duh. Of course they can. I bet dude I was talking to is reading this forum RIGHT NOW. Hi dude. WTBTS caught with it's pants down and it's dong stuck in the wild beast - good thing for you the average JW is BRAIN DEAD.
as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.
the dpi is now taking them off the list.
the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.
Wonder if they have phone tracing equip - bet they do....!!
as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.
the dpi is now taking them off the list.
the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.
Thanks, and I will
hello friends, this is your vitameatavegamin girl.
by the way, don't forget to watch the i love lucy marathon on tv land starting october 15th, it should be a hoot.
50th anniversary of the show.. anyway, lately i have been doing more thinking about everything.
Yes Stacy, once your brain wraps itself around the fact that's it's OK to have question that perhaps you will NEVER know the answers to life gets much more rewarding. No more beating yourself silly trying to reconcile weird beleifs against reality ...
as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.
the dpi is now taking them off the list.
the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.
What's the phone code to block caller ID? I want to call Bethel too. Anyone have the # handy? Thanks!
this is probably a strange question, but how do you "pick" something else to study?
i'm having a hard time just picking up the bible & reading it - but i'm terrified of picking up any "study material" from other organized religions to help.
which bible do i use?
Excellent post LDH, and good advise. Why jump right into another man made religion. And don't confine your study to just the bible, it's not the only 'god's book' out there. As far as getting manuscripts older - they're in greek/hebrew/aremaic(sp?)/others so to REALLY study them you'd have to learn those languages, and not only the language, but how it was used 2000+ years ago. Not an easy task, and one reason there is so much dispute over 'correct' translation of the bible.
Just remember there are no concrete answers, if you want to by into a religion you will have to make a leap of faith, and trust what some man/men have decided is 'truth'. There is no other way in the religous world. Not until god would decide to come down and tell us what to do in no uncertain terms (thundering voice from sky? Perhaps, but have to make sure it wasn't the CIA or something too )- which last I check I haven't heard of happening ...
hello friends, this is your vitameatavegamin girl.
by the way, don't forget to watch the i love lucy marathon on tv land starting october 15th, it should be a hoot.
50th anniversary of the show.. anyway, lately i have been doing more thinking about everything.
One more thing, JWs are SO big on "We are the one true org, Jah directs us, blah blah, no one else has the 'truth'" etc. But yet youu are to read NO disenting views. You are taught to react with fear at all 'apostate' thoughts least your 'faith' be shaken. Why would god's true org be so fragile against attacks then? If it is so 'true' why is it so easy to see all the cracks in it? Why is it when anyone REALLY begins to examine the JW org it falls apart on them? If it were really the only tru org, wouldn't it REALLY stand out among mankind? And yet to the people whose lives it hasn't touched it is meaningless.
Yes JWs get all excited when Johnny Carson jokes about them "See we are world renown" but to non-JWs they are just a joke. All they know are these funny people come to their doors and bother them with mags. 99.9% never give a thought to the message being given, and in fact the average JW doesn't give a message they just want to place a mag/book. And people aren't reading them. The average JW cannot be effective in a real bible debate anyway, once the heat turns up the JW scurrys away saying "Their hearts weren't receptive". You think that god is directing such an ineffective work? I don't. The Mormons are growing faster than JWs, does that make them the 'one true org'? It would seem their preaching is more effective ...
hello friends, this is your vitameatavegamin girl.
by the way, don't forget to watch the i love lucy marathon on tv land starting october 15th, it should be a hoot.
50th anniversary of the show.. anyway, lately i have been doing more thinking about everything.
Vitameatavegamin: I hate to say this so bluntly, but you are falling victim to brainwashing techniques - all you know is what has been pounded into your head day after day with NO disenting views presented to you for years. Of course you mind will fall back into 'comfortable' places, thinking the answer to all life's problems are "More meetings, more service, more confession to elders". This is because that message has been presented to you for years.
It takes time and a lot of research into OTHER views to finally free your mind of the fear that you have been programmed into. For example, if you were raised Catholic, you would fear not going to confession lest you die with sins and go to hell/purgatory. Those fears would be VERY real to you, just as real as your current fear of dying at the big 'A'. If you were raised Muslim you might fear NOT dying in battle lest you not qualify for paradise. This fear would be as real to you as your current fears. Think how fearful those men who flew planes into buildings were. They truely beleived they were going to paradise. Do YOU think they are? Why not? Because you have not been indoctrinated into that beleif system. They were.
So are you really going to think that god/jehovah/allah/whoever really cares if you go knock on doors? Of perhaps his true will is that you kill infidels. Or perhaps it that you attend Mass weekly. You interpritation of 'gods will' is being based on WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT. You don't KNOW that it's true, it's just easy to beleive it is true since you were taught from a young age. It will take time trust me to develope the ability to think beyond the box you have drawn around yourself. But once you do the world changes, and I think for the better. No longer will you be entraped by fear everyday of your life. No more guilt trips over every little 'infraction' you do. No more living you life for others.
Do you think if there was a god who created us like we are, giving us the ability to think for ourselves, and do what we want, he desires all people to be mindless little automen? Blindly following whomever designs to rule the current religion we are belonging to?
well i finally got the guts to tell my mother that i had enlisted in the army.
she didn't say a whole lot to me, but she did tell my sister she was calling the elders and that when i was df'd she would have nothing to do with me.
i can't say that it suprises me too much, but i was hoping for more of an adult reaction.
Hats off to you Mordin, quite a sacrifice to join now with what is happening, especially considering the fact you have a familiy. Too bad there aren't more like you in this country. Thanks!
