do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
That's the point, stuff. Any god defined ever is either irrelevant or an asshole.Asking people to define a god so it can be discussed or debated and then just dismissing any silent or absent god as "irrelevant", "worthless" or "pointless", is empty. (argumentum ad lapidem)
the new "bible teach" book is out!
thetruthbr has posted links for this and several other of the new publications.
as an educator, i am very interested in where the society is heading with their alleged "bible education" program.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
EVERY believer must deal with the issue of theodicy at some point in their 'belief' journey. Some come up with excuses, others come to the only logical conclusion: god(s) does/do not exist.
Why on earth is that a problem to a believer who's god concept is either not omnipotent, not omniscient, or so far from human: it's intervention in human affairs is not to be expected?Epicurus' quote sums it up:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
there are 2 questions that generate more pain,suffering & death, than any other question in existence.. these 2 questions are :.
"does god exist?".
"who is god"?.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
I was careful to be specific in saying that my belief in Rodney was no different from a psychosis and not that all religion is a mental illness.
Well, then you were not all that careful, or specific.
Because unless I missed one of your comments, you said no such thing.
"I have a friend called Rodney, he wants everyone to be good towards each other, he looks after everyone but dang! The trouble is; he is invisible. As it happens, it was he who created the universe and he told me that he will kill those people who don’t believe in him but for all those who do, they will go into an everlasting paradise.
Qualitatively and philosophically is there any difference between my psychosis and theism?"
What you did was describe an example of psychosis and ask if it was different from theism, "qualitatively and philosophically".
I would not have posted a video answering that question - If you had simply made a statement that theism wasn't a mental illness. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'm not quite that dull.
It may have been the question mark you used that threw me off...
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
If one thinks that a creator God is "simple," they've got another thing coming.As prologos said, simpler isn't simple. And it was a joke, something I took the pains to point out.
It's like the theists didn't even read that Carl Sagan article OTWO posted above.Between the time OTWO posted the Sagan quote and you posted the above statement. No theists, zero theists, posted. Atheist, Agnostic and Deist, no Theists...
If there is a deist god it is about as interesting and relevant as the fact that I have a pot of orange marmalade in the cupboard.
Actually my orange marmalade is far more useful.
Qualitatively and philosophically is there any difference between my psychosis and theism?Yup. Here's an atheist telling you why. He's not an exciting speaker, but he is spot on.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
"I can prove the god of theism doesn't exist. I and others have done so many times in this forum. If somebody means something else by god then let's discuss that too."I was just now looking through your thread
"As soon as the person posing the question carefully defines what they mean by "god" we can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that it does not exist."
This is untrue though.
All you can do in regards to a claim of a god who is either absent or unknowing - is dismiss and scorn. Understandable, but not the proof you offer. [Though I guess the argument would then rest upon what you consider to be proof "beyond all reasonable doubt"]
I don't believe you to be ironmanning, but it kinda looks like it.
I don't think it's intentional, or I'd have said so, but it is what prompted my comment.
I would agree that it is pointless and meaningless to discuss or debate this silent god... However, it would not ipso facto make the god itself pointless or meaningless, just outside of our understanding. Which, after all, one might readily expect from something inhuman.
For this to render the god itself "pointless" or "meaningless" implies an expectation that the god behave a certain way. An expectation with no basis in regards to any god outside of the theology you refer to.
It seems like a dismissal upon the basis that the god doesn't meet a theological standard you have already established as flawed.
If we (rightly) dismiss gods within that theology because of its holes - but also dismiss any idea of a god who fails to meet the standard that same theology sets (because they are absent from, or silent to, mankind).
We have ourselves in a position where we would dismiss the proposal of a true god, even if such a thing were (or could be) offered.
The claim that a god can not be disproved is very often smug, but not in the least bit vacuous.
"I have no idea what point you are trying to make."
Hope I cleared that up for ya.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
"No. I have specifically said many times that the the god of theism does not exist."What you have or have not said in the past is unknown to me (and beside the point). If you stated that in this thread, I missed it.
I would pay to see that.Me laughing with my face? It's what I tend to use... You use your elbow or something?
"An absent "god" is meaningless and pointless."Care to explain why?
Occam's RazorLol. To me it seems like "God dun it" it a simpler theory than the ones biochemistry offer me... I should dispense with science? (I jest, ofc)
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
Even if there was a creator, so what? Where do you go from there? What is your next option? Choose who's concept of a creator is correct? More supposition? Are you going to worship it? Why would you? If it's real it clearly wants nothing to do with this planet. So again, WHAT IS THE POINT?Yes. A million times yes. You are now my god. I shall defend your existence upon this forum!
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
God never acknowledges the existence of atheists in the bible. He only says, "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
