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  Almost 60 years ago, The Watchtower made a prediction that has proven to be amazingly accurate.

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  i haven't posted for quite awhile, just usually lurk, but thought surely someone would have noticed this on jw.org.

  this was under the article about distractions.

  i clicked on the article and below is the "accurate" prediction that the wt made back in 1958. this has to prove they have jehovah's backing, don't you think?

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  Dunedain

  Is the OP being sarcastic here? I am honestly not understanding whats up with this post.
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  Would Jesus have been disfellowshipped by the "Elders" of his day . . . . . .

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i bet jesus would have been df'd by the "elders" in his day.

  lets think about it, jesus hung out with "worldly" people.

  his closest friends were known prostitutes, money collectors, men of "prominence" in the world of that day, non "beleivers" of the "faith" like samaritans, and many others that todays "elders" would have deemed "unworthy".. jesus spoke against the "organization" and "elders" of his day.

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  The point of my OP, was to show how Jesus, today would be disfellowshipped by the Elders. The disfellowshipping "standards" of todays Elders, would have DEFINATELLY disfellowshipped even Jesus himself. Some here got my point, and i think for others, i should have worded it differently, but either way, there seems to be no doubting that todays Elders would have DF'd Jesus.
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  S*** JW Parents Say

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. social
  2. family

  my mom especially had some go-to phrases that to this day echo in my head and piss me off.

  things like, .

  "don't get mad at me for enforcing the rules, because jehovah made them, so if you don't like it, you're disrespecting him.

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  My parents, fortunately, were not like that, thank goodness, but i knew many that said very similar things to their JW kids.

  What a "head trip" to put on little children. To not only think they were doing "bad" against their parents, but were also upsetting the "creator of the universe". The same God, that these same children, learned had put to death thousands of "unworthys", in mere seconds. Some of those "My book of bible stories" were scary.

  Its really a form of mental child abuse.
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  Would Jesus have been disfellowshipped by the "Elders" of his day . . . . . .

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i bet jesus would have been df'd by the "elders" in his day.

  lets think about it, jesus hung out with "worldly" people.

  his closest friends were known prostitutes, money collectors, men of "prominence" in the world of that day, non "beleivers" of the "faith" like samaritans, and many others that todays "elders" would have deemed "unworthy".. jesus spoke against the "organization" and "elders" of his day.

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  Dunedain

  I bet Jesus would have been DF'd by the "elders" in his day. Lets think about it, Jesus hung out with "worldly" people. His closest friends were known prostitutes, money collectors, men of "prominence" in the world of that day, non "beleivers" of the "faith" like Samaritans, and many others that todays "elders" would have deemed "unworthy".

  Jesus spoke against the "organization" and "elders" of his day. Heck, the scribes and pharisees were the religious leaders, and would have been equal to todays elders. Well, Jesus condemned them and their running of the congregation. That would have branded you an "apostate", by todays Elders standards.

  Jesus, probably would have been shunned and considered "spiritually dead", in a congregation today, by its Elders, simply because he wasnt baptised till 30 years old. I mean, he was only the son of God, what did he know. JW children today should know what it means to dedicate your LIFE, by the tender age of 15 or 16, THE MOST. Otherwise, there must be something wrong with you, and your relationship with God, and btw you should be forever judged by it. Just because Jesus himself waited till he was 30, shouldnt mean anything.

  Jesus wouldnt have gotten any privileges by todays Elders. He would have been considered on the fringe, and not fully dedicated to the organization. No microphone holding for him, no Watchtower reading for him, no sir, he probably wouldny have even been a publisher.

  Jesus's re-teaching of scripture, and re-writing of the law, and speaking out against Isreal/organization, would have been the last straw for todays Elders. Yes, they WOULD have Disfellowshipped even Jesus himself, in todays organization. Technically putting him to death, just like the scribes and pharisees of his day. The Elders, as the "supposed" shepards of the flock, would have thrown Jesus to the "wolves", and DF'd him.This is just like todays Elders, who claim to be shepards, but think nothing of throwing their sheep to the "world", to fend for themselves. What "wonderful" flock leaders, i bet they would have put Jesus to death too.
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  What is going on

  by Aleph in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first of all thank you for the nice welcoming messages i received !.

  as you know they are reducing bethel families to the minimum, services etc...here s what i heard from 2 different sources (one from africa, one from europe).. - "official" reason given : "end is now, no more time to build, we all need to preach!"..

  - all members are invited to go and support where the need is great in the congregations (not necessary their own), missionaries aren t sent back to their counties of origin.. - i have no info regarding huge kh building program...is it still on?

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  Follow the money!!!
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  Did you see a GB member ever...

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i read a news topic about the pope in the us.

  of course, we were all indoctrinated that the pope is the devil himself.

  but, did you see a gb member or a local wts official ever giving attention to a paralyzed witness?

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  Oh shit, i just remembered another time i had a direct dealing with a GB member. I was having lunch at Brooklyn headquarters, on "special" invite. This was over 20 years ago, and had to do with my father, and my fathers old college professor. My fathers old professor was very interested in Bethels workings, and had visited many years earlier, and was quite impressed with how efficiently they did certain things, basically cost saving ways they would work the factories. During that visit the professor had made friends with some of the older, prominent Bethel members, like Russ Kerson(not sure of spelling).

  Anyway, since my father was the student that was the catalyst in getting his professor there all those years ago, and friendships were made, the prof never became a witness btw, a reunion of sorts was made, hence our "special" invitation to Bethel. So, at lunchtime, all of us, my father, me , mom, sister, my Dads old professor, and Russ kerson, all sat at a very special lunch table. At this table was a governing body member. I honestly dont remember his name, but what i do remember are 2 things. First, he was an old bag at about 80 something, BUT he had a very pretty, hot, younger sister as his wife. Even my Mom commented on that one. Second, i couldnt help but watch how he ate, he was mixing all his food together into one big, mushy, lump of food. I remember lima beans, mashed potatoes, and whatever the protein was, all globbed together first, before even taking a bite, and then once it was all mushed together on the middle of his plate, he started to eat it all. It was weird and gross.
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  Did you see a GB member ever...

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i read a news topic about the pope in the us.

  of course, we were all indoctrinated that the pope is the devil himself.

  but, did you see a gb member or a local wts official ever giving attention to a paralyzed witness?

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  I had Brother Henschel go to my ex-wifes bridal shower, as a person of "honor". I personally met him a few times, btw this was all over 20 years ago. He was "friends" with my ex-grandmother in law. She would kiss his ass, and give him money and "gifts", all the time, so he was always "on the take" and hanging with her. My ex-grandmother in law, was a very well to do woman, and she made sure everyone new it.

  She would call Bro. Henschel, her "personal angel", and in her mind, she thought by showering him with cash and jewelry, she had a shoe into the new system. She figured that when he croaked, he would judge her "worthy" at Armagedon.

  NOT ONCE, did this GB member, tell her kindly, "please its not like that, i am a lowly servant like you for Jehovah" . Instead his hand was out, ALL THE TIME, and filling his pocket with cash. This is not all BS, i witnessed this, with my own eyes, when i was in my early 20's, and newly married to this womans grandaughter.

  My ex-grandmother in law, made sure Henschel was ay her grandaughters, my ex-wife's, bridal shower. He was the ONLY male there, and sat at a table of prominence, like he was a God. He went, he didnt say, " thank you anyway, but it would not be appropriate, for me to go", NOPE, he went. He probably looked at it as a "business investment of his time", because by going, he ensured that my rich grandmother in law would keep the cash going. RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!
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  What's the craziest thing someone INFORMED on you about?

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the culture of jws as encouraged by the watchtower is one of informing on one another, reporting to either the elders or ones designated head.

  whats the wackiest thing that someone reported on you?

  im not talking about a black-and-white watchtower rule that would land you in a judicial committee, but some judgmental nonsense that someone thought they should turn you in about?.

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  @Listener - Exactly, this Elder had a trophy room in his house, with a taxidermied bear, geese, racoons, fox, pheasants, a ram, and all hunted by HIM, not bought. I saw this room personally, with my own eyes. Now dont get me wrong, perhaps many of those animals were hunted at different times in his life. I do beleive that recently he goes back and forth between being an Elder and not, but he is 100 PERCENT in GOOD standing in the "truth", right now, AND he is 100 PERCENT hunting for sport, RIGHT NOW in his life. I know this for a FACT, he has hunted on MY PROPERTY in UPSTATE NY, SHHHHHHH. HYPOCRITES.
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  What's the craziest thing someone INFORMED on you about?

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the culture of jws as encouraged by the watchtower is one of informing on one another, reporting to either the elders or ones designated head.

  whats the wackiest thing that someone reported on you?

  im not talking about a black-and-white watchtower rule that would land you in a judicial committee, but some judgmental nonsense that someone thought they should turn you in about?.

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  Oh, i got another one. Onetime a few of us "brothers" went and played paintball. It was a days outing, we rented the paintball guns, and had fun shooting each other with paint. Somehow it got found out by the elders, and they were "appalled".

  We were all spoken to, and told how wrong and bad it was. They actually thought it was so bad, that a "local needs" talk needed to be given about it.

  The Elder who gave the talk, was all "fire and brimstone". Saying how it was "warlike", and "unchristian", and Jesus would have NEVER approved. The sheeple in the congregation, were audibally gasping at how horrible it was, and shaking their judgemental heads, back and forth.

  The "kicker" to all this, however, is that the Elder who gave that talk, WAS A HUNTER. He owned REAL guns, and hunted for sport, even having an animal trophy room in his home. Btw, we all lived in a borough of NYC, he didnt hunt out of "necessity", just for sport. I could care less about it, its his right, but dont judge 17 year old kids for playing with paintball guns. Do they really think that "alienating" us to the rest of the congregation, thru a talk from the platform, would draw us closer to the fold, IDIOTS.
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  What's the craziest thing someone INFORMED on you about?

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the culture of jws as encouraged by the watchtower is one of informing on one another, reporting to either the elders or ones designated head.

  whats the wackiest thing that someone reported on you?

  im not talking about a black-and-white watchtower rule that would land you in a judicial committee, but some judgmental nonsense that someone thought they should turn you in about?.

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  I remember being "ratted" on by this self-righteous, crazy, pioneer sister. She was in my house to use the bathroom, since her and my Mom were working field service, and our house was in the territory. The door to my room was open, and she was passing by my room, and of course, snooping around, sticking her head inside my room. I had a "fantasy" game set up on the floor. It was kind of like a board game, but the "pieces" were medeival soldiers, dragons, orcs, and stuff like that.

  Well, the next meeting i was called in the back by the elders, and accused of "demon worship", and having Satanic "things". Just so you know, this was a board game you could buy in TOYS R US.