Posts by Dunedain

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1914—The Turning Point in History - Really?

by berrygerry in

1914the turning point in history.

30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.

german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .

Dunedain

Its so true, really think about how ridiculous for the WTS to think and say this. Do they REALLY think that a WORLD WAR just occurs overnight. The fact that it happened, was because of all the build up happening in the years prior. There was so much "tension" around the world/Europe, that the assasination of the Archduke, FINALLY ingnited the "flames". The point being, is that the "gasoline", the "matches", and the "fuses", were already in place from YEARS of build up.

Also, what about the many, many conflicts that existed in the 40 or 50 years PRE 1914. Just in America, their was the Civil War where OVER a million American soldiers DIED. The battle of Antietam lost over 20,000 men in 1 DAY. How about the genocidal extermination of a whole race and culture of people, the American indians, culminated during the years BEFORE 1914. How about the fact that one of the reasons the American Civil war happened was because of slavery. So yeah, what about the enslavement of a whole race of human beings only ending in 1865, 49 years BEFORE 1914, and it still continued MANY years after in South America.

What about all the colonys under the British and French empires, during the years BEFORE 1914. This included the oppression of millions of people around the WORLD, and the many conflicts and wars from the oppressed nations, trying to fight for their freedoms. The statement, "the sun never sets upon the British empire", was for a reason.

I am just scratching the surface here. The point being, is that "1914" and WW1, was just a CONTINUATION of constant world unrest. Just as many hardships, wars, and human atrocities, occurred in the 100 years before 1914, as the 100 years after 1914, and we are STILL here witnessing it.

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No Kingdom Halls would definitely work!

by John Aquila in

last night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attendingelders and regular pioneers.

there was beer and later some music.

everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers.

Dunedain

The GB/WTS would NEVER allow meetings to stop, and face to face contact with the R&F. In short, they are probably going to continue to "ramp" up the website and videos, but will never go COMPLETELY digital in that respect.

One of their popular scriptures is always about true christians must "gather together", otherwise the "lone" person will seek his "own selfish desires". They are afraid of "splinter groups", and most of all, loosing control.

We all know this ORG is about "levels of sprituality". Its is true that its based on "titles", like Elder, MS, Pioneer, and publisher, which could exist in a completely "digital" setting, BUT, those "titles" are granted, based on meeting attendence, hours in service, and SEEING these persons in service, answering at meetings, giving public talks, a persons conduct, and their dress, and of course, many, many other factors that are based on physically "seeing" the R&F.

None of these things, which in this cult are used to measure someones "spirituality", can be measured from behind a computer. Even the GB knows that they couldnt use a person being "logged in", as meeting attendance, because the "sheep" would just log in, and then go in another room and watch a rated R movie, lol.

In a "high control cult", which the WTS is, it cant exist without them "meeting together", physically, so that the Gestapos in charge can "police" the flock. It is as "deep", and as "simple" as this, all in one.

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I think God is a Jokester, I'm starting to appreciate his words.

by James Mixon in

proverbs 27:14.

" a quarrelsome wife is like a constant dripping on a rainy day".

love it!!!.

Dunedain

@ - James Mixon - EXACTLY, you are correct about that one. For some reason, when i tell my 2 daughters one thing, but do something else, they call me out on it. Go figure, lol.

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Do you Share "Values" with the Murderers in Paris?

by Terry in

do you share values with the murderers in paris?.

a shocking question!.

is such a thing possible?.

Dunedain

" I spread disease like a dog, discharge my payload, a mile high rotten egg air of death, shall wrestle your nostrils, launch the Polaris, the end doesnt scare us, when will this cease, from warheads let them all rest in peace"

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I think God is a Jokester, I'm starting to appreciate his words.

by James Mixon in

proverbs 27:14.

" a quarrelsome wife is like a constant dripping on a rainy day".

love it!!!.

Dunedain

I always wondered why in the old testament God was quoted as saying, " I am a jealous God". Why would God have to be jealous, REALLY? Yet in other bible verses, when talking about "jealousy", it says how its "rottenous to the bones". I dont get it???

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Songs that have a JW meaning?

by GrownMidget in

jw
friends

do you have any songs that you have listened and then thought that it also works from an apostate point of view?i have always liked this song, but one time realized that i was thinking how it sounds awfully familiar, if you think about those who have lost family/friends due to leaving.this song was originally made/written because one of the actors died in a car accident.

movie was still being filmed and many spots he was needed were never finished with him.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkafk5djsk.

Dunedain

Unforgiven, by Metallica is about DF'ing.

"New blood joins this earth, and quickly its subdued, thru constant pained disgrace, the young boy learns their rules"

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Raining before the Flood?

by GrownMidget in

i remember at my teen years when i was studying with a brother that he said to me that there was no rain before the flood.

instead there was this mist that you have.

never before or after this have i heard something like this.

Dunedain

@ - Crazyguy - God had to "flood" the earth, because the pure gene pool of humanity was "tainted" by the co-mingling of evil demonic spirit creatures coming down and mating with humans. The resulting offsprings were monstrous and destructive and powerful. The spirit creatures, most likely took other forms, besides a perfect sexually viable male specimen. They took physical body of all manner of perfect forms, both beautiful and horrible, both powerful, and cunning., They tampered with the "pure" gene pool of the line of Seth. The line of Cain, was "polluted", and twisted. Bred as centaurs, ogres, lizardmen, the cloven, the giants, the satyrs, and also the beautiful elves, and fairy winged sprites, the dream wishers, and mushroom eaters, the mermaids and merman, the faun, and pixies. The pure for vision of God was changed forever, thru the tampering of the gentics of humans, by the powerful demon starmen, that came from the very heavens above, with the knowledge of the universe, as they were the very witnesses of creation.

OR, its all bullshit, and a wild fantasy story, take your pick, lol.

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What would happen ??

by Clambake in

there is a certain elder in my wives hall that has seemed to developed a real interest her.

first he seemed to feel a need to make sure all her blood cards were signed before she gave birth to our child.. he sends her text messages if she misses a meeting saying how much " we missed you last night ".

he finally sent her a text wondering where her oct hours were , knowing she had some pretty serious tears from child birth and could hardly even walk, much less do field service ".

Dunedain

@ - Clambake - CONGRATS on the baby, bro. They are a lot of hard work, but SOOOOO worth it, lol.

Now in regards, to the over-stepping, uber-dub, dopey Elder, if his actions, are really and truly bugging you, which its quite evident they are, you SHOULD let him know whats up. Every situation is different, and of course, we do not have all the "details", and particulars, but if you feel he is over stepping his boundaries, then you gotta put an end to it.

I know you have a JW wife, but i dont know how "up" on the JW "culture" you are, but some elders feel they are just looking out for the "flock" or the "weak", and MOST of them do it incorrectly as stupid, imperfect MEN, and those are the ones with "good" intentions. Forget about the ones with bad intentions. Like if an Elder DOES have an infatuation with YOUR wife. He could be coming up with all types of "scenarios", on how he may be her "savior", or "knight in shining armor", and his perception of her "life" could be all twisted in his mind. You may very well have to "school" him, on "WHATS UP".

Wher i come from, Brooklyn/Staten Island NYC, this "cat" would learn real kwick not to be texting my old lady, and it would stop. That being said, every situation is different. The best advice i can give you, is if this bothers you, and i know it does, lol, then STOP it. How you do that, is up to you, but keeping your wifes "feelings" as your main priority, should dictate how you go about this.

Be tactful, be firm and to the point, but get your message across logically, and put HIM/THEM in a place of empathy. Like, how would he like it, and use WTS own doctrine as your foundation, so you dont come across asa "paranoid" unbeleiver, but from a scriptural basis as the "head".

Good luck, i wish you the best. I am sure it will work out, and once you put your feelings out there to this man, it should stop. If it doesnt, grab the guy by his left ear, and rip him out of his seat, during the Sunday public talk, lol, just kidding(maybe).

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Raining before the Flood?

by GrownMidget in

i remember at my teen years when i was studying with a brother that he said to me that there was no rain before the flood.

instead there was this mist that you have.

never before or after this have i heard something like this.

Dunedain

@ - Fulltimestudent - Thanks for posting that information, it is quite appropriate. Brilliant observation, and that you remembered it.

I always LOVED the story of Noah, and not from the perspective of the 2 by 2 animals, and the 8 saved people, and all that, but from a totally different perspective.

If we were to beleive it was true, then think about the fantasy world that existed before the flood. It would have been like Dungeons and Dragons, meets Lord of the rings, meets Genesis. If "demons" could come down to earth,in the form of a sexually viable man, then why not as the form of a dragon, or a centaur, or ANY form their hearts desired. They would have been the "mighty ones" of old. There offspring would have been all manner of creature, and beast, and perfection of mind and body. A "fantasy" world indeed. Then the struggle of the survival of the "pure" line of Seth, and the proliferation of the "polluted" line of Cain. Its the makings of the greatest fantasy, sci fi,book or movie, EVER.

I have been "studying" the old stories of ancient cultures, and always with the "twist" of pre-deluvian. I am even writing, and have been for years now, a fantasy, sci fi, book, that takes place in this "world". So, i am into this big time.

With this being said, the WTS has been saying, and continues to say, that it NEVER rained before the flood. This is 100 percent part of their "dogma", and logic. The ONLY precipitation, according to WTS, was the "mists and early morning dew", that would water the vegetation. As others above have said, they also beleive in the "water canopy" theory, and that it was the cause of the "flood rains", and that water also came up from the "springs" under the ground.

I know this for a 100 percent fact, as i have used the WTS, and MANY, MANY, other sources, as "study" material for my book, especially and usually only when dealing with "Noahs flood".

The funny thing is that in trying to write my book, set in the pre-flood world, and wanting to prove that it could have really happened, i wound up proving that it, indeed, COULD NOT have happened, or at least NOT on a GLOBAL scale. This changed the "tone" of my book, from a historical/fantasy perspective, to a STRICTLY fantasy perspective, because of it.

The above info, showing how "rain patterns", are found in rocks that are OVER a BILLION years old, is just the start of the abundance of "proof" that it could NOT have been on a global scale. From the water canopys "pressure" on earth, to vegetation NOT being able to survive under water, to the HUGE variety of animal life NEVER have been able to fit on the ark, or evolve in such few generations from the flood to what we have today variaty wise, and many other points.

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Pranks to play in the hall...

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

what pranks could you/would you/ have you played in the kingdom hall?.

i have never but here's two i've thought of, 1) replace the liquid soap with glue 2) smear nutella everywhere in the bathroom!.

what's yours?.

Dunedain

I REALLY wish everyone, that is still going to meetings, would start putting monopoly money in the contribution boxes. Think about how EPIC that would be. As was seen in other threads, many of us here are from all over the world. If EVERYBODY started dropping fake monopoly money in contribution boxes all over the world, the GB would take "note".

Cant you guys here it now, "brothers, we are increasingly receiving fake money in the contribution boxes, please STOP this, as it dis-pleases Jehovah, he likes his money to be REAL, thank you brothers".

It would begin with local needs, in the "offending" congregations. Then as word would be getting out, that it is happening all over, talks and announcements would be done at circuit assemblies. The best being, of course, that we would be putting the same fake monopoly money, in the contribution boxes of the circuit assemblies, too.

All kidding aside, this REALLY would be an awesome "message" to the GB, and local asshole Elders. Contribution boxes, ALL OVER THE WORLD, would send quite a message. It would drive these assholes, NUTS. Not only is it a "slap in their faces", but it would really be screwing them financially.

Think about it folks, if thousands of us all did the same thing, and with the same monopoly money, that simple act would show a "united, underground message", that would be crossing borders, and the effect would be IMMENSE.