@ - DataDog - I think you might have mis-understood. The point is NOT to say these things AT a study, but to PERSONALLY use it as a way to bring these questions up, one on one with a JW, by saying someone you are studying WITH was asking you.
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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.
by Dunedain ini am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.
in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.
it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.
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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.
by Dunedain ini am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.
in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.
it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.
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@ - Village Idiot - Good point, but i doubt the "elders" would do that right away. Their initial reaction will not be, Who is that, or whats their name, they probably wouldnt want to come off that way from the door. That being said, then MAKE UP A NAME, and "studies" stop studying all the time. The point is to just be getting the info out, not that every week you are going to ask the elders things, from the "study". Its about planting tiny seeds, here and there. Also, you do not have to say it was a study, say you were witnessing to a co-worker. The seed is planted, and i doubt they will ask the name of a co-worker. -
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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.
by Dunedain ini am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.
in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.
it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.
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I am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already. In fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea. It is a "tactic" that my Father uses, to great effect, and he is a CURRENT JW.
As we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the WTS. The main issue of why a large portion of rank and file members don not "go any further" once they stumble upon info, is because the GB has done an excellent job of "demonising", and labeling things "apostate".
Many times we hear, or have personally experienced, many R&F members, or even our family members, refusing to hear ANYTHING that "questions" the WTS. Once we may start to get into a conversation, concerning ANYTHING, from the child abuse scandals, false date prophesies, "roots" of the ORG, or whatever, they quickly close their minds to what is being said, and nothing may sink in.
Our "tactics" are often times, done correctly, lovingly, and even from an "academic", or "logic" perspective, but still NOTHING. The GB has, in many cases, done a great job of "stigmatising" anything which could "wake" up a JW to the REAL truth.
So now we get to the reason for this post. This "tactic", can be employed by all of us, whether we are DF'd, a ranking JW, an Elder, a MS, a publisher, non baptised, and any of us who are IN or OUT. For most that are IN, one of the biggest "badges" of "spirituality" is if you have a STUDY. The simple idea here is to use your "STUDY" as a means to give information to the R&F and family that are in, about the TTATT.
Very simply, what my Father does, and that all of us can do, is to bring up SPECIFIC "points" to others in the congregation, but under the guise that YOUR/OUR STUDYS are asking them. It is very simple and yet brilliant, at the same time. When it is done this way, it ABSOLVES you of being the one bringing up these "appostate" points, and puts the "burden" on the "study". Whether you have a study, or NOT, doesnt matter. It is simply about using the "study" as the means to ask these questions, and as an avenue to get this information "out there".
An example of this could be if you went to an elder and said, "my study was on such and such website, and they brought up about the child abuse scandals, and the ARC, have YOU heard about this, and what should i tell my study". Or to anyone who is perceived as being "strong spiritually", you could ask about the generations changes, or 607, or blood, or the United Nations, or the many, many other points and "truth" that we know, but ALWAYS under the "guise" that it is a question that our studies are having.
There was a thread here, about a month ago, where we all said where we are from, and we are all over America, United Kingdom, Australia, Europe, and many other countries. If we ALL did this, by simply raising these issues, we could get the TTATT to many all over the world. The beauty about this, though, is that there is no "backlash" on us, because when you use the mentioning of these points as coming from a "study", or even "someone" we are just talking about the "truth" to, then the "negative" connotations dont come down on us.
Remember, the purpose of doing this, is NOT to get answers from those we mention this "apostate" info to, but to simply put this info out there to the people that normally would not "listen" to it.
It is a simple approach, but one, i fell, could be VERY effective. When you are speaking to a JW, or a JW family member, once you say that I read such and such, they INSTANTLY close themselves off to you. However, when you go to these same people, and say MY STUDY said such and such, well they may "disarm" themselves mentally, and allow the info, at a very minimum, to be HEARD.
We can say our "studys" brought up topics like blood fractions, child abuse, silent lambs.org, Australian royal commision, date changes from 1799, 1914, 1925, 1975, misquotes or blatant lies in literature, the orgs "roots" like pyramidology, or whatever you want. Now, by just bringing up these points, we can spread the REAL truth, and to many that would have ordinarilly "shut themselves off" to hearing it.
Even a DF'd person, if you are lucky enough to still talk to any of your JW family members, you could say these points were brought up to you by someone you were talking to. You could even bring it up, like you were considering "going back", but these points were brought to your attention.
If you do not have a study, or have one, but do not want to "alienate" them by making some think that the "questions" are coming from them, then just make a study up. You could even start the process by, for a few months before, start adding 1 study on the feild service time slips, and then that could be your "imaginary study" that is bringing up all these "questions".
Again, the purpose is to put this TTATT out there to the R&F, who would normally close themselves off to hearing it. Raise these questions to EVERYONE you can. Raise them to Elders, raise them to MS, raise them to pioneers, raise them to your stuborn family members, raise them to ALL in the hall, but without the "stigma", because you are "asking for a study who is REALLY interested".
Sorry for the long post, but i think this simple approach, and especially at the crucial time with all that is happening in the ORG, it can be just whats needed to wake up many. Good luck.
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Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants
by jwfacts inthere was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.
what would be their motive for these details?
the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.
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I hope someone sends this letter to the "higher ups" at the Australian royal commision. Especially, if this is a tactic of the WTS to try and do some "shady" things in response to the recent "findings" from the commision. Like if they are going to "use" these "company" men to help them hide funds, or "navigate" whats coming. -
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Australian Royal Commission Findings released
by Mephis inwill just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.
in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.
available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.
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As another Xmas approaches...
by snare&racket ini hope everyone here is well and staying strong x .
another year, another year with no armageddon.. i have noticed the jw pals and family become more frenzied of late, small things in the news wind them up and make them more hysterical than ever.
the events in paris were horrendous, but to a jw they mean the end is near...........why wasn't it near when chechnya was in the shit?
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Um, Christmas is pagan!!!!!
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Australian Royal Commission Findings released
by Mephis inwill just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.
in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.
available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.
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As the WTS LOVES to say, "the LAST days here", and they couldnt be more right, for their first time in over 140 years. Yes, my friends, behold, we ARE witnessing the last days, the last days of the WTS. The nail in the coffin is being hammered in, as we speak.
Behold, the "fruit" is ROTTEN. Its "roots", are old and withered. Its "branches" are cracked, and falling. Its "bark" is torn away, and the EVIL is exposed for all to see.
Beware WTS, your days are numbered. Your doctrines of lies, and your years of false prophesies, are ending. A great storm is upon you, and it will wash away your UNLOVING teachings. Your days of splitting up families, and "damning" fellow humans, are over.
The ROT is from the very top, to the furthest ends of its roots. Bugs are feasting on your "flesh", water does not nurture your soul. You are the breeder of decay, and mush, the very fibers of your "body", stinks of "death".
With one fell push, and one mighty swing of the axe, you will fall into a great, rotting, heap of decay. There will be a, mighty, thunderous report, as you hit, the cold, hard earth, and no one will mourn your loss. No, instead, the singing will be of your demise, and the poor, and down trodden, will rejoice in your end. The children will play, as their tormentor is gone, and there shall be tears of joy, as your hate has been crushed.
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The FINAL DAYS are here !!!
by Calebs Airplane inaccording to this jw video... now is the time to preach without fear!
now that the final days are here!.
the final days were not here previously (as they kept insisting for over 140 years)... but now they are!.
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The FINAL days for the WTS is HERE. Thats about the ONLY thing they got right. Their days are numbered, and they have no "sense" of who they are anymore.
Should we act a bit like scientology, should we act a bit like born agains, maybe take a bit from evangelicals? You can tell THIS is what they are trying to do, BECAUSE they do not know where they stand.
When false prophecies FAIL, and doctrines change with the wind, and their numbers are dwindling, and they cannot keep the young ones in, and the old ones are tired of the lies, and the new ones learn TTATT quickly, from just the touch of a computer button, you get DESPERATE.
They are DESPERATE, and a video like this one, is pure PROPOGANDA, to try a give JW's a "sense of comraderie". Trying to say they all belong together in the JW "club". No THANKS, we, and many others are starting to see, that it is NOT the JW "club", its the JW CULT, and we dont want it.
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The Exodus confirmed..
by Crazyguy infor those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.
we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.
the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.
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Little Thought for Lurkers, oringinal sin?
by Diogenesister injust one little thought....adam & eve ate the fruit from the tree "of the knowledge of good & evil".
so..in other words, before they ate they did not know right from wrong...hmmmm so how can you blame someone who does not know right from wrong?.
for a crime to take place in human law you must have the act - 'actus reus' - and the guilty mind or 'mens rea' as it is termed.
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The narrative, itself, kinda gives the impression that, at a minimum, Eve and probably Adam, werent around for that long, before Satan tempted them. Therefore, it always seemed to me, that although they were "perfect", they were mentally almost like children. They would have had hardly any life experience, and would have been like 2 elementary school aged "persons", walking around the garden.
They would have been "easy prey" for Satan. I dont know, of course, but its just my 2 cents, and it always seemed kinda unfair to me. Unfair, in the sense, that these 2 humans, whether perfect or not, were merely "children", in the big scheme of things. What chance would they have had against a spirit creature, who was cunning, and able to physically and mentally "deceive" them. Mind you, this was a being who was, supposedly, alive for billions of years, many times in the very presence of God, himself. A creature, of authority, even amongst creatures that are a much higher intelligence than a perfect mere human.
Yet God had no problem, with essentially letting this creature, deceive us, and horribly so, to the point of bringing our whole, intelligent species forever changed by death. Again, i ask, what chance did we have? Especially against the magical, shape shifting, powers, of a highly advanced, spirit creature, that has billions of years experience, and is hell bent on fucking with us.
We were a "newborn" of creation, barely around for any measure of time, in comparision to the universe. Yet God, is supposed to be a LOVING FATHER, well what kind of Father would even allow any predatory, intelligent being, to even come close enough to his latest, fragile, freshly created humans. Not only did he let the predator close enough to harm us, he LET IT HARM US, and to the point that NONE of us have had a chance. Again, what chance did we have.
Yet, to blow all our minds, if it DID NOT happen, then NONE of us here, on this message board, would have ever been born to even discuss this, in the first place. MIND BLOWN!!!!!!